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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #240 on: October 26, 2017, 09:34:32 AM »

Look who's not NOT a NHLer anymore Babs!

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« Reply #241 on: October 26, 2017, 09:40:50 AM »
Juicy Babcock comment: who do you think he's referring to?

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« Reply #242 on: October 26, 2017, 09:50:32 AM »
Everyone forgets Griffith. In this case, I don't think he's the one Babcock was talking about though.

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How have you seen Josh Leivo tackle the mental challenge here where he’s always kind of on standby but never knows when he’s going to play?

Babcock: I think Leivs has been great with that. We’ve talked about it lots. We’ve had players here in the past that were disgruntled and then when they went somewhere else, they found out they weren’t NHL players. Just keep getting better every day. You’re getting paid to get better. You’re getting paid to train. When you get your chance – he’s getting a chance for sure – be ready and make sure no one can take you out. The beauty of the system is, once you get in, if you play good enough, no one takes you out.

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« Reply #243 on: October 26, 2017, 09:59:40 AM »
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How have you seen Josh Leivo tackle the mental challenge here where he’s always kind of on standby but never knows when he’s going to play?

Babcock: I think Leivs has been great with that. We’ve talked about it lots. We’ve had players here in the past that were disgruntled and then when they went somewhere else, they found out they weren’t NHL players. Just keep getting better every day. You’re getting paid to get better. You’re getting paid to train. When you get your chance – he’s getting a chance for sure – be ready and make sure no one can take you out. The beauty of the system is, once you get in, if you play good enough, no one takes you out.

I mean that underlined part is like 100% untrue. Leivo was practically one of the Leafs best players in that 10 game or whatever stretch he played last season and went directly back into the pressbox once we got healthy after that despite playing "good enough".

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« Reply #244 on: October 26, 2017, 10:06:30 AM »
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How have you seen Josh Leivo tackle the mental challenge here where he’s always kind of on standby but never knows when he’s going to play?

Babcock: I think Leivs has been great with that. We’ve talked about it lots. We’ve had players here in the past that were disgruntled and then when they went somewhere else, they found out they weren’t NHL players. Just keep getting better every day. You’re getting paid to get better. You’re getting paid to train. When you get your chance – he’s getting a chance for sure – be ready and make sure no one can take you out. The beauty of the system is, once you get in, if you play good enough, no one takes you out.

I mean that underlined part is like 100% untrue. Leivo was practically one of the Leafs best players in that 10 game or whatever stretch he played last season and went directly back into the pressbox once we got healthy after that despite playing "good enough".

He's been saying a version of that all season, and I laugh because Matt Martin is still in the lineup.

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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #245 on: October 26, 2017, 10:52:09 AM »
So you're saying, basically, that Babcock is no better than Trump.

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« Reply #246 on: October 28, 2017, 12:19:14 AM »
"I'm here for (6) more years. Then I'm gonna stay for two more because we'll be really good." - Coach Mike Babcock

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« Reply #247 on: October 29, 2017, 02:15:56 PM »
What I don't quite understand is the Mitch Marner demotion.  Ever since Babcock did that, the Leafs haven't been the same.  Then last night he shuffled the lineup again.  There's that old saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".  The Leafs were in first place overall in the league when Babcock demoted Marner.  He is not a fourth line player.  He is an elite offensive talent.  I will say Kapanen is better than a bunch of the other forwards currently with the club, so I say keep him up.  Aside from that, though, they should revert to the forward lines they used at the beginning of the season.

I'm not saying Marner is perfect or that he doesn't have stuff to work on.  He does.  Don Cherry was right last night when he pointed out Marner's lazy backchecking that led to a goal by Philly.  Players shouldn't have to be demoted when they have to work on something.  Marner is young and I'm sure he's coachable.

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« Reply #248 on: October 29, 2017, 06:09:16 PM »
If Martin goes straight back in for Leivo there's a good chance my head may implode
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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #249 on: October 30, 2017, 03:57:53 PM »
And...Babcock is reverting to the opening night lineup for tonight's game.  I must know something.  8)

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« Reply #250 on: October 30, 2017, 04:37:59 PM »
What I don't quite understand is the Mitch Marner demotion.  Ever since Babcock did that, the Leafs haven't been the same.  Then last night he shuffled the lineup again.  There's that old saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".


But it was broke. The team was scoring in bunches and their defensive issues were being covered up. The scoring slowed down and the defense remained terrible over the last few games.
Is Marner a 4th line player? No. He knows that and Babcock knows that. When players stink, the first step is to try and correct their habits. When that doesn't happen, what choice does a coach really have other than to send a message by demotion?


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« Reply #251 on: October 30, 2017, 05:56:20 PM »
What I don't quite understand is the Mitch Marner demotion.  Ever since Babcock did that, the Leafs haven't been the same.  Then last night he shuffled the lineup again.  There's that old saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".


But it was broke. The team was scoring in bunches and their defensive issues were being covered up. The scoring slowed down and the defense remained terrible over the last few games.
Is Marner a 4th line player? No. He knows that and Babcock knows that. When players stink, the first step is to try and correct their habits. When that doesn't happen, what choice does a coach really have other than to send a message by demotion?
Well I’m just glad that Babcock has gone back to what was working. Hopefully Marner got the message. I hope they showed him the video clip Don Cherry showed also. Marner is fast, young, and fit. There is absolutely no excuse for not backchecking.

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« Reply #252 on: October 30, 2017, 06:17:11 PM »
What I don't quite understand is the Mitch Marner demotion.  Ever since Babcock did that, the Leafs haven't been the same.  Then last night he shuffled the lineup again.  There's that old saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".


But it was broke. The team was scoring in bunches and their defensive issues were being covered up. The scoring slowed down and the defense remained terrible over the last few games.
Is Marner a 4th line player? No. He knows that and Babcock knows that. When players stink, the first step is to try and correct their habits. When that doesn't happen, what choice does a coach really have other than to send a message by demotion?
Well I’m just glad that Babcock has gone back to what was working. Hopefully Marner got the message. I hope they showed him the video clip Don Cherry showed also. Marner is fast, young, and fit. There is absolutely no excuse for not backchecking.

He's young and bound to make mistakes. How much he learns from those mistakes will show what kind of hockey player he really is.

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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #253 on: October 31, 2017, 04:32:34 PM »

Shake and Bake...
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« Reply #254 on: October 31, 2017, 05:49:52 PM »

Shake and Bake...
Finally Babs is getting it. Perhaps Lou put him in a headlock. Half Nelson
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Re: 2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #254 on: October 31, 2017, 05:49:52 PM »