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« Reply #570 on: December 20, 2017, 09:23:18 AM »
Nothing wrong with trying to win and score. I think the key is to teach kids how to be gracious winners and losers. You can't teach that if you don't have winners and losers.

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« Reply #571 on: December 20, 2017, 09:33:26 AM »
Man if it wasn't bad enough that my brain is nothing but a collection of pop culture references now even that's starting to slip.

Time makes fools of us all.

It took me some time but I think I found what Nik was thinking of:


Which, if I had known it at the time, would've been a great coup de grace here.

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« Reply #572 on: December 20, 2017, 10:04:30 AM »
And deal better with coaches who put winning at young age above having fun and developing skills.
  It matters absolutely nothing if you win an under 10 game by shortening your bench and leaving kids behind in sport that can hardly afford to alienate numbers. 
Nothing wrong with trying to win and score. I think the key is to teach kids how to be gracious winners and losers. You can't teach that if you don't have winners and losers.

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« Reply #573 on: December 20, 2017, 11:09:15 AM »
And deal better with coaches who put winning at young age above having fun and developing skills.
  It matters absolutely nothing if you win an under 10 game by shortening your bench and leaving kids behind in sport that can hardly afford to alienate numbers. 
Nothing wrong with trying to win and score. I think the key is to teach kids how to be gracious winners and losers. You can't teach that if you don't have winners and losers.

I have coached kids soccer for the past 10 years at multiple levels.  I will say that the problem is not the kids, and it is definitely the coaches/adults involved. 

Removing the score has no impact on the kids.  The know the score, they know who won they know who scored the goals. 

By removing the score they are trying to get coaches to stop coaching to win.  It's a hard thing to do.  I'm a competitive person.  It's hard to watch a team that I coach lose.  The thing is though, if we lose, but I know that every kid got a chance to play as equally as possible, and that every kid had fun, then it's mission accomplished. 

The problem is that there are coaches that can't park that competitive nature, even at the recreational level and it's a real problem.  I have coached soccer games, where if my team scores some goals, I have seen the other coach bench a player because isn't as good as another player he wants to play full time, and at the end of the day, that is wrong at the recreational level.     

I think by removing the score they are trying to engineer a better response from the adults involved with the sport, rather than the kids, which is really sad when you think about it.
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« Reply #574 on: December 20, 2017, 12:39:37 PM »
Good point, interdasting.
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« Reply #575 on: December 20, 2017, 02:11:28 PM »
And deal better with coaches who put winning at young age above having fun and developing skills.
  It matters absolutely nothing if you win an under 10 game by shortening your bench and leaving kids behind in sport that can hardly afford to alienate numbers. 
Nothing wrong with trying to win and score. I think the key is to teach kids how to be gracious winners and losers. You can't teach that if you don't have winners and losers.

I have coached kids soccer for the past 10 years at multiple levels.  I will say that the problem is not the kids, and it is definitely the coaches/adults involved. 

Removing the score has no impact on the kids.  The know the score, they know who won they know who scored the goals. 

By removing the score they are trying to get coaches to stop coaching to win.  It's a hard thing to do.  I'm a competitive person.  It's hard to watch a team that I coach lose.  The thing is though, if we lose, but I know that every kid got a chance to play as equally as possible, and that every kid had fun, then it's mission accomplished. 

The problem is that there are coaches that can't park that competitive nature, even at the recreational level and it's a real problem.  I have coached soccer games, where if my team scores some goals, I have seen the other coach bench a player because isn't as good as another player he wants to play full time, and at the end of the day, that is wrong at the recreational level.     

I think by removing the score they are trying to engineer a better response from the adults involved with the sport, rather than the kids, which is really sad when you think about it.


I remember when Mr. Walter Gretzky, Wayne's father,  once gave some advice to  a relative of mine whose son was playing in the GTHL by saying ..."Most important...it's gotta be fun.  Gotta keep it fun."  He practically emphasized those words. 

He definitely had a point there.
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« Reply #576 on: December 20, 2017, 07:32:09 PM »
When I played high school football and we were highly competitive and wanted to win. If we lost did we cry. Hell no! We just loved to play as hard as we could, even if we lost.  And loved every minute of it.
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« Reply #577 on: December 20, 2017, 11:08:09 PM »
This is a very interesting article on JvR

https://theathletic.com/180409/2017/12/20/james-van-riemsdyk-credits-hall-of-famer-adam-oates-with-helping-take-his-game-to-next-level/

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One thing van Riemsdyk points to is that goalies have their own dedicated off-season coaches, something he believes scorers are going to have to do more to keep up with how much better netminders have become.

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“The goalies have been doing that for years,” van Riemsdyk said. “It’s interesting. If you look at the position that’s made the most progress in hockey in the last 25, 30 years, it’s been goaltending. Obviously they’ve caught up and surpassed skaters. We wonder, too, if that (extra skills work) is why goal scoring is down.

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« Reply #578 on: December 21, 2017, 10:52:56 AM »
https://theathletic.com/191019/2017/12/20/how-unique-is-jamie-oleksiaks-ability-to-play-the-right-side-despite-being-left-handed/

Pittsburgh recently traded for Oleksiak. It’s not directly related to the Leafs, but this article touches on the mechanics of playing weakside on defense, and also the benefits of having good skating giant defensemen (which we’ve drafted several potentials).

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« Reply #579 on: December 22, 2017, 10:19:52 AM »

Matthews' first full practice since December 9th. A good sign that he'll be ready to return to the line-up tomorrow night. If he misses that one too he'll almost certainly be good to go when the Leafs return from the Christmas break in Arizona on the 28th.

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« Reply #580 on: December 22, 2017, 10:25:38 AM »

Matthews' first full practice since December 9th. A good sign that he'll be ready to return to the line-up tomorrow night. If he misses that one too he'll almost certainly be good to go when the Leafs return from the Christmas break in Arizona on the 28th.

Sit Martin, put Komarov on the 4th line, and put Kapanen on the second, and you'd have a really dangerous-looking line-up.

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« Reply #581 on: December 22, 2017, 10:42:07 AM »
Sit Martin, put Komarov on the 4th line, and put Kapanen on the second, and you'd have a really dangerous-looking line-up.

I'd settle for even just swapping Komarov and Brown. This is obviously an insanely small sample size, but the line of Marleau-Kadri-Brown has scored 3 goals together (and given up 0) in just under 9 minutes of even-strength ice time this season. I really think that line could look good at both ends of the ice together.

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« Reply #582 on: December 22, 2017, 10:57:15 AM »
I'd settle for even just swapping Komarov and Brown. This is obviously an insanely small sample size, but the line of Marleau-Kadri-Brown has scored 3 goals together (and given up 0) in just under 9 minutes of even-strength ice time this season. I really think that line could look good at both ends of the ice together.

Yeah, I think that would be a good move. Brown can do a lot of the things Komarov does to help that line, while being a stronger offensive producer. Komarov, meanwhile, would be able to conserve energy for the PK and quality 4th line shifts.
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« Reply #583 on: December 22, 2017, 11:14:46 AM »

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« Reply #584 on: December 22, 2017, 11:21:21 AM »

Trollolololol lol lol lol lol

Carrick was benched in the 2nd half of the 3rd period against Columbus after he got beat on that goal, so I thought he might have sat here. Guess he's getting a little more rope.

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« Reply #584 on: December 22, 2017, 11:21:21 AM »