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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2017, 08:09:11 AM »
Theon being Theon. Don't be Theon.

I half expected him to mutter "my name is Reek!" right before jumping. You could see the transformation back to him going on in his eyes.

edit: Although I will say this, that was probably the smart thing to do vs. getting killed or captured.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2017, 09:23:03 AM »

So where are people on what seems to be the most contentious point from last night's episode, whether Arya's encounter with her dire wolf was largely meaningless or if it convinced her to not continue north but head on to King's Landing?
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2017, 09:32:47 AM »

So where are people on what seems to be the most contentious point from last night's episode, whether Arya's encounter with her dire wolf was largely meaningless or if it convinced her to not continue north but head on to King's Landing?

Yeah, I imagine it's going to have some significance. It'd be weird for them to just have a scene to prove Nymeria is still alive and well and that's it. Nymeria chose not to go back home because she's not the same wolf she used to be. Pretty obvious parallel there.

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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2017, 11:18:40 AM »
I think she still goes north and keeps an eye on things with Baelish possibly trying to take on more power. Was that actually Nymeria though? It sounded like she said "It's not you" after the encounter.

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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2017, 11:21:35 AM »
I think she still goes north and keeps an eye on things with Baelish possibly trying to take on more power. Was that actually Nymeria though? It sounded like she said "It's not you" after the encounter.

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It wasn't meant in a literal sense:

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So in the end, Nymeria decided to roam free with her pack rather than staying with Arya. And according to showrunner D.B. Weiss in the “Inside the Episode” segment, Arya’s final words to Nymeria, “That’s not you,” are a reference to something she herself told her father back in season one. (When Ned said she’d grow up to be a lady, Arya said, “That’s not me.”)

https://www.vox.com/2017/7/23/16017680/game-of-thrones-arya-direwolf-nymeria-stormborn

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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2017, 11:32:00 AM »

I sort of fall in between, I guess. I think she's still heading north(because I don't see the point in the encounter making her head south but leaving that ambiguous) but I think the significance of her meeting with the Wolf is going to play out later when she gets back home and realizes there's nothing for her there now that she(and the rest of her family) has changed so much.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2017, 11:43:57 AM »

I sort of fall in between, I guess. I think she's still heading north(because I don't see the point in the encounter making her head south but leaving that ambiguous) but I think the significance of her meeting with the Wolf is going to play out later when she gets back home and realizes there's nothing for her there now that she(and the rest of her family) has changed so much.

Yeah, that seems like a fair suggestion. It'd be a bit of a shame for her to get so close and not have the payoff of meeting Sansa (she might not stick around long enough to see Jon).

Her and Littlefinger's interactions would be interesting too. We might get some confirmation about whether he recognized her all those seasons ago when she was serving Tywin.

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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2017, 04:58:50 PM »
Sansa knows Arya is still alive right?

IIRC, Brienne told her that she saw her with the hound before Arya went to Braavos

I'm imagining Arya showing up in Winterfell and telling everyone that she killed ALL the Freys.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2017, 05:58:04 PM »
Sansa knows Arya is still alive right?

IIRC, Brienne told her that she saw her with the hound before Arya went to Braavos

I'm imagining Arya showing up in Winterfell and telling everyone that she killed ALL the Freys.

Yeah, and when Sansa and Jon reunited last season she talked about how Winterfell was their home (and Arya's and Bran's and Rickon's) when trying to convince Jon to fight the Boltons.

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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2017, 06:39:11 AM »
Theon being Theon. Don't be Theon.

I half expected him to mutter "my name is Reek!" right before jumping. You could see the transformation back to him going on in his eyes.

edit: Although I will say this, that was probably the smart thing to do vs. getting killed or captured.
No balls Theon.

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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2017, 07:56:09 AM »
Theon was horrifically traumatized, and it came to a head when facing his mad nuncle. His abandoning ship (which is probably more culturally faux-pas for an Ironborn) at the height of Yara's need looks like despicable cowardice.

However, what would have happened if he were brave Theon instead? Yara would be immediately dead, Theon would be likely to suffer the same fate, and they would both be heads presented to Cersei. It's a similar theme to what Sansa touched upon when imploring Jon to be better than Ned and Robb were, and what Olenna told Danaerys to do (principles get you killed). 

I think he accidentally found the optimal solution against a maniacal deus ex machina.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2017, 09:31:32 AM »
The character is broken. Even Yara didn't look surprised or disappointed when he jumped ship. Wonder if he'll have a Gollum type role at the end of it all.

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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2017, 09:58:32 AM »
Herman is right though, he lives to see another day.  Had he done the brave thing and charged at the uncle they'd both be dead (him and Yara)  Just sad to see what a state that character is in.  Also I hate the fact that I'm seeing all this on screen before reading it in the books since I was a book reader long before the series ever hit TV. 

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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2017, 10:37:10 AM »
Theon was horrifically traumatized, and it came to a head when facing his mad nuncle. His abandoning ship (which is probably more culturally faux-pas for an Ironborn) at the height of Yara's need looks like despicable cowardice.

However, what would have happened if he were brave Theon instead? Yara would be immediately dead, Theon would be likely to suffer the same fate, and they would both be heads presented to Cersei. It's a similar theme to what Sansa touched upon when imploring Jon to be better than Ned and Robb were, and what Olenna told Danaerys to do (principles get you killed). 

I think he accidentally found the optimal solution against a maniacal deus ex machina.

I recognize that there's a certain extent to which we have to turn off our brains here but why should we assume that if Theon tried to save his sister she'd be dead in a way she wouldn't be regardless? His Uncle had won, he still had numbers and clearly his interest wasn't in straight up killing his niece and nephew despite his repeatedly stated intentions. Otherwise, why hold the axe to her throat instead of just killing her? Or let Theon's masterful "jump 5 feet away from the boat" escape plan work?

I appreciate that what this may be doing is setting up Theon for some sort of redemption later but outside of seeing the plot machinations at work I'm not sure there's much in the way of logic going on here.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2017, 10:44:32 AM »
Theon jumping also works as a call back to season one, when he killed a wildling that had a knife to Bran's throat, and got scolded by Robb for risking Bran's life, as, if he had missed, the wildling would have slit Bran's throat without hesitation. So, maybe, it's an indication that he's learned from his past?
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Re: Game of Thrones (S7)
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2017, 10:44:32 AM »