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Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
« Reply #195 on: September 18, 2017, 03:52:53 PM »
Bourne: Frederik Gauthier is not your punchline
https://theathletic.com/104667/2017/09/18/frederik-gauthier-is-not-your-punchline/

Apparently, the injury on the cusp of making the jump has lit a fire under Gauthier. He is ahead of schedule and already gunning for a spot on the roster.

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« Reply #196 on: October 11, 2017, 09:24:40 AM »
https://theathletic.com/123464/2017/10/11/the-gifted-carl-grundstrom-and-the-art-of-getting-pucks-on-net/

A Carl Grundstrom profile... it'll remain unlocked.

Starting to reconsider lining him up on paper with Matthews.

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« Reply #197 on: October 11, 2017, 05:02:59 PM »
Starting to reconsider lining him up on paper with Matthews.

Hmm? I thought you were always pro-Grundstrom, this article makes you NOT want him on Matthews' line?

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« Reply #198 on: October 11, 2017, 05:14:50 PM »
Wait, so the Marlies dressed Colin Greening, Ben Smith and Rich Clune over Bracco in both games this weekend?   Why?

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« Reply #199 on: October 11, 2017, 05:19:34 PM »
Starting to reconsider lining him up on paper with Matthews.

Hmm? I thought you were always pro-Grundstrom, this article makes you NOT want him on Matthews' line?

I assume it's because Auston is a shoot first pivot and Grundstrom might not be the best compliment to him.

Right now, Bozak is probably the only past first guy in the middle for the Leafs.

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« Reply #200 on: October 11, 2017, 05:20:50 PM »
Starting to reconsider lining him up on paper with Matthews.

Hmm? I thought you were always pro-Grundstrom, this article makes you NOT want him on Matthews' line?

Right?

It's because he's a shooter; not just a shooter, but a indiscriminant spray and pray shooter. I don't doubt that Matthews could pick up some rebound goals off that, but I think Grundstrom is better suited to Kadri's line where the net is crashed with regularity and pucks are tucked into open sides.

He's DeMar DeRozan.

Matthews is an in-tight (and outside) shooter, and I'd like his wings occupied by a playmaker and a defense clogger who at least wants to get his linemates the puck.
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« Reply #201 on: October 11, 2017, 05:21:10 PM »
Wait, so the Marlies dressed Colin Greening, Ben Smith and Rich Clune over Bracco in both games this weekend?   Why?

Game fitness has been most people's guess. He's a smaller body to begin with, and has been dummying junior hockey on skill.

Top shelf of the roster is also gummed up with Kapanen, Johnsson, Rychel, 11 shots in 2 games Soshnikov, Moore, Aaltonen, Brooks, Timashov.
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« Reply #202 on: October 11, 2017, 05:36:54 PM »
Right?

It's because he's a shooter; not just a shooter, but a indiscriminant spray and pray shooter. I don't doubt that Matthews could pick up some rebound goals off that, but I think Grundstrom is better suited to Kadri's line where the net is crashed with regularity and pucks are tucked into open sides.

He's DeMar DeRozan.

Matthews is an in-tight (and outside) shooter, and I'd like his wings occupied by a playmaker and a defense clogger who at least wants to get his linemates the puck.

Ah, gotcha. I figured Grunstrom's ability to shoot like that and create rebounds would be beneficial BECAUSE Matthews scores so many goals from close around the net.

A little further to this point though, I'm not sure we should be going ahead and labelling Matthews as any specific type of offensive player. Yes, in his time here so far he's definitely been more of a shooter but I think that's specifically because of the situation he's in with Hyman and at times Brown. His play with Nylander sure makes him look like an elite playmaker as well.

It reminds me of how when Crosby stepped into the league and he was putting up consecutive seasons of 30 goals+/70 or 80+ assists and people said he'd never end up beating Ovi in goals or winning the Rocket. Then in his 5th season he went out and led the league in goals with 51. I have no doubt that type of talk motivated him to do that. Players like Crosby or Matthews or McDavid aren't just elite in one part of the offensive game.
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« Reply #203 on: October 12, 2017, 10:27:21 AM »
A little further to this point though, I'm not sure we should be going ahead and labelling Matthews as any specific type of offensive player. Yes, in his time here so far he's definitely been more of a shooter but I think that's specifically because of the situation he's in with Hyman and at times Brown. His play with Nylander sure makes him look like an elite playmaker as well.

You know, that's a really good point. I'm basing my label of Matthews on his existing body of work with ZSC and his first season with the Leafs, but we're really still at the ground floor of his career arc and everything I've seen so far shows me that Matthews will put in the work to do whatever it takes for his team to score (even when he's not on the ice).

Your theory that he's a shooter largely because, in his assessment of what's going on on the ice, he usually has the best shot (position, execution) makes sense. He also leveraged Brown's smart positioning and pretty good shot a few times last season (face off 'loss' play).

Not to put him into such lofty territory right away, but, moreso than McDavid and Eichel and other top picks this past decade, Matthews has that similar quality to Crosby in adaptability to styles. He has shown he can start/score those fancy dancer fast break plays; he is one of the better players on the boards with his tight stickwork and quick hands; he can bomb it from a distance with either the one-timer or the snapper or the heavy wrister; he can tip it netfront any which way.

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« Reply #204 on: October 12, 2017, 10:34:29 AM »
Wait, so the Marlies dressed Colin Greening, Ben Smith and Rich Clune over Bracco in both games this weekend?   Why?

Game fitness has been most people's guess. He's a smaller body to begin with, and has been dummying junior hockey on skill.

Top shelf of the roster is also gummed up with Kapanen, Johnsson, Rychel, 11 shots in 2 games Soshnikov, Moore, Aaltonen, Brooks, Timashov.

Bracco had Mono earlier this summer and he still hasn't full recovered his strength/conditioning.  Considering how much of a lightweight he was to begin with he's gotta spend even more time bringing it back up to snuff.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-prospect-bracco-case-mono/

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« Reply #205 on: October 12, 2017, 10:37:44 AM »
Bracco had Mono earlier this summer and he still hasn't full recovered his strength/conditioning.  Considering how much of a lightweight he was to begin with he's gotta spend even more time bringing it back up to snuff.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-prospect-bracco-case-mono/

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Thanks, Coco-puffs. Brooks had it too, but has been seeing game time (centre depth).

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« Reply #206 on: October 12, 2017, 11:00:47 AM »
Bracco had Mono earlier this summer and he still hasn't full recovered his strength/conditioning.  Considering how much of a lightweight he was to begin with he's gotta spend even more time bringing it back up to snuff.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-prospect-bracco-case-mono/

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Thanks, Coco-puffs. Brooks had it too, but has been seeing game time (centre depth).

I'm not going to postulate much about how mono might affect people differently, but Bracco was down almost 20 lbs from last years medical to this years.

https://theathletic.com/108256/2017/09/23/mirtle-every-season-the-leafs-get-new-heights-and-weights-but-are-they-right/

Brooks wasn't listed in the chart in that article, which according to Mirtle, means his weight did not change from last year.

EDIT:  Link with listed info from Marlies website:

http://marlies.ca/roster/335/57

Bracco was listed at almost 190 on hockeydb, down to 171 at this years testing.  (Brooks was 175 on hockeydb, up to 181 at this years testing).  Not sure when the info on hockeydb was updated, but Bracco definitely lost a lot of weight.
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Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
« Reply #207 on: October 12, 2017, 11:09:05 AM »
In addition to Bracco's potential strength/conditioning issues right now, it should be noted that the Marlies are damn deep right now on the wing. Even when he gets into the line-up he's likely looking at just 4th line minutes, at least as long as Kapanen and Soshnikov are taking up the top-2 RW spots.

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« Reply #208 on: October 12, 2017, 12:42:31 PM »
Sounds like mono is the ticket for me to losing some weight. I tried food poisoning earlier this year and that only worked temporarily.

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« Reply #209 on: October 12, 2017, 12:49:29 PM »
Sounds like mono is the ticket for me to losing some weight. I tried food poisoning earlier this year and that only worked temporarily.
A strict diet and exercise regimen works pretty well ;)

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