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Re: 2017-18 Marlies
« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2017, 08:01:33 PM »
That's fair, I just assumed that if it was for a direct promotion, they'd let them go, but I understand where you're coming from, that makes sense.

To be clear, I don't actually know what the deal is. Just I can't think of a time where a AHL coach switched organizations mid-year.
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Re: 2017-18 Marlies
« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2017, 04:59:56 PM »
Couple of Liljegren gifs from this afternoons game:


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« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2017, 10:03:52 PM »
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.

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« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2017, 09:09:10 AM »
He looks like the real deal so far, lots of skill and composure
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« Reply #64 on: October 22, 2017, 10:46:54 AM »
Maracin has looked good with the Marlies, definitely too good for the AHL. Perhaps he can be part of some form of trade with Bozak
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« Reply #65 on: October 23, 2017, 10:12:36 PM »
As Jeff Veilette suggested earlier this month upon Pickard's arrival, Kasimir Kaskisuo has been loaned to the Chicago Wolves, AHL affiliate of the Vegas Golden Knights, who are, as you may have heard, suffering a severe goalie shortage.
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« Reply #66 on: October 23, 2017, 10:56:43 PM »
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.

The fact that he’s sitting behind Ben Smith suggests we may need a little more data before we can make heady conclusions :-)

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« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2017, 09:13:17 AM »
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.

The fact that he’s sitting behind Ben Smith suggests we may need a little more data before we can make heady conclusions :-)

Ben Smith is a legitimate AHL weapon.

All that being said re: how cool it is that our 18 year old defenseman is near the top of our team's scoring rankings...

Nielsen was also near the top for a stretch last year (he was 20), and it's not something that really lasts unless you're an Erik Karlsson. These points are earned, but largely due to opportunity: offensive zone starts, PP time; where the coach is leveraging a strength. Defencemen assists are usually more a function of your forwards offensive capabilities, and right now, this is likely the best team of forwards Liljegren has ever played with.

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« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2017, 10:35:43 AM »
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.

The fact that he’s sitting behind Ben Smith suggests we may need a little more data before we can make heady conclusions :-)

Ben Smith is a legitimate AHL weapon.

All that being said re: how cool it is that our 18 year old defenseman is near the top of our team's scoring rankings...

Nielsen was also near the top for a stretch last year (he was 20), and it's not something that really lasts unless you're an Erik Karlsson. These points are earned, but largely due to opportunity: offensive zone starts, PP time; where the coach is leveraging a strength. Defencemen assists are usually more a function of your forwards offensive capabilities, and right now, this is likely the best team of forwards Liljegren has ever played with.
Good Analysis Herman, when do you start with The Athletic?
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« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2017, 11:11:55 AM »
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.

The fact that he’s sitting behind Ben Smith suggests we may need a little more data before we can make heady conclusions :-)

Ben Smith is a legitimate AHL weapon.

All that being said re: how cool it is that our 18 year old defenseman is near the top of our team's scoring rankings...

Nielsen was also near the top for a stretch last year (he was 20), and it's not something that really lasts unless you're an Erik Karlsson. These points are earned, but largely due to opportunity: offensive zone starts, PP time; where the coach is leveraging a strength. Defencemen assists are usually more a function of your forwards offensive capabilities, and right now, this is likely the best team of forwards Liljegren has ever played with.
Good Analysis Herman, when do you start with The Athletic?

I don’t think Herman wants anything to do with those bloodsuckers ;)
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Re: 2017-18 Marlies
« Reply #70 on: October 31, 2017, 01:08:04 PM »

I would have liked to have heard him gush about Liljgren a little more, but still some good updates on Brooks and Bracco.

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Re: 2017-18 Marlies
« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2017, 01:51:28 PM »
Talking up the Marlies' money savvy to entice insulation veterans:
https://theathletic.com/142913/2017/10/31/marlies-use-financial-power-to-strike-unique-balance-between-budding-prospects-ahl-veterans/

The team build on the Marlies is pretty similar to the Leafs in terms of allocation of players to development tiers (per Lou's preference): one third veterans, one third prime players, one third developing players. Neither team invests in veterans to do heavy, heavy lifting on the production side (duh), but they have one mentor (or two or three on the Marlies) for every position.

Highlighting the Marlies' veterans are Chris Mueller and Vincent LoVerde, former Calder Cup champions who both received a substantial guaranteed pay bump to play here for a stable 2 seasons with a pretty clear indication they will not be receiving an NHL promotions.

Also this tasty nugget:
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And everyone is on the same page.

“You can’t develop or reach your potential if you don’t come to the rink motivated in practice and games,” Keefe said of the balance. “If you’re not, it becomes challenging real quick to get the most out of people. A competitive environment is extremely healthy and necessary.”

Keefe credits AHL star Ben Smith, who has played on the Marlies' fourth line for the majority of this season, for still being the team's most productive forward. When Frederik Gauthier returned to the lineup, he volunteered to switch to the wing so that Adam Brooks could keep getting minutes.

Others, like Rich Clune and Colin Greening, are fine playing on the fourth line or sitting in the press box too.

That's Smith volunteering to run wing for Brooks (not Gauthier, as the grammar of that sentence implies).
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Re: 2017-18 Marlies
« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2017, 02:17:05 PM »
Talking up the Marlies' money savvy to entice insulation veterans:
https://theathletic.com/142913/2017/10/31/marlies-use-financial-power-to-strike-unique-balance-between-budding-prospects-ahl-veterans/

The team build on the Marlies is pretty similar to the Leafs in terms of allocation of players to development tiers (per Lou's preference): one third veterans, one third prime players, one third developing players. Neither team invests in veterans to do heavy, heavy lifting on the production side (duh), but they have one mentor (or two or three on the Marlies) for every position.

Highlighting the Marlies' veterans are Chris Mueller and Vincent LoVerde, former Calder Cup champions who both received a substantial guaranteed pay bump to play here for a stable 2 seasons with a pretty clear indication they will not be receiving an NHL promotions.

Also this tasty nugget:
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And everyone is on the same page.

“You can’t develop or reach your potential if you don’t come to the rink motivated in practice and games,” Keefe said of the balance. “If you’re not, it becomes challenging real quick to get the most out of people. A competitive environment is extremely healthy and necessary.”

Keefe credits AHL star Ben Smith, who has played on the Marlies' fourth line for the majority of this season, for still being the team's most productive forward. When Frederik Gauthier returned to the lineup, he volunteered to switch to the wing so that Adam Brooks could keep getting minutes.

Others, like Rich Clune and Colin Greening, are fine playing on the fourth line or sitting in the press box too.

That's Smith volunteering to run wing for Brooks (not Gauthier, as the grammar of that sentence implies).

Glad you clarified because it really does read like Goat moved himself to wing, which would be... ungood

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Re: 2017-18 Marlies
« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2017, 03:16:41 PM »
Glad you clarified because it really does read like Goat moved himself to wing, which would be... ungood

I cross referenced announced Marlies' lineups to be sure.

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Re: 2017-18 Marlies
« Reply #74 on: November 07, 2017, 03:15:57 PM »
https://theathletic.com/144694/2017/11/02/wheeler-a-comprehensive-review-of-the-first-place-toronto-marlies-recent-play/

An excellent look at the Marlies roster/lines.  In essence, the team's best are the likes of Soshnikov, Johnson, Smith, Kapanen and Marchment, all who have upped their levels of play.  On the special teams especially the PK & etc., it's Ben Smith who leads and is considered the team's next best player after Soshnikov.

As for the defence, Lilejgren and Dermot take their spots, with both improving their defensive side.

In goal, it's Garrett Sparks all the way (best save percentage in the AHL).
Calvin Pickard has lagged somewhat from his strong start (debut).

From the writer's point of view, Soshnikov and Johnsson may well be NHL-ready (add in Kapanen who looks to have improved his speed & aggressiveness), while the defence, Dermott may have what it takes, though both Lilejgren & Dermott need a bit more time in tweaking and correcting the subtleties of their play especially Lilejgren.
 
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Re: 2017-18 Marlies
« Reply #74 on: November 07, 2017, 03:15:57 PM »