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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #195 on: December 02, 2017, 12:04:11 AM »
No because we'd be so weak at our other positions at that point that I don't think Karlsson makes up for it.
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« Reply #196 on: December 02, 2017, 12:09:56 AM »
No because we'd be so weak at our other positions at that point that I don't think Karlsson makes up for it.

Also, why trade when we can simply wait, and entice him with the prospect of playing with the Big 3?

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« Reply #197 on: December 02, 2017, 12:13:06 AM »
Have fun not playing for a contender.

If teams can't build contenders paying great players market prices then something is fundamentally broken with the sport.
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« Reply #198 on: December 02, 2017, 12:14:55 AM »
No because we'd be so weak at our other positions at that point that I don't think Karlsson makes up for it.

Hard to say.  It's certainly a steep price, but Reilly - Karlsson could make for a pretty dominant pairing if Reilly keeps up his season (and they gel together).  I'm honestly on the fence...  Probably leaning towards no?

Hyman - Matthews - Brown
Leivo - Kadri - Komarov
JvR - Marleau - Kapanen
Martin - Bozak - Soshnikov
Moore

Reilly - Karlsson
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Zaitsev
Borgman - Carrick

Andersen


Edit: Of course, I didn't bother to consider cap with the above lineup...
Edit2: Looks like the above roster is over the cap by 700k.  Trade out Bozak and use Moore or Aaltonen and yer under by 2.5M:

Hyman - Matthews - Brown
Leivo - Kadri - Komarov
JvR - Marleau - Kapanen
Martin - Aaltonen/Moore - Soshnikov
Moore/Aaltonen

Reilly - Karlsson
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Zaitsev
Borgman - Carrick
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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #199 on: December 02, 2017, 12:15:31 AM »
No because we'd be so weak at our other positions at that point that I don't think Karlsson makes up for it.

Also, why trade when we can simply wait, and entice him with the prospect of playing with the Big 3?

Talk about ideal!

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #200 on: December 02, 2017, 12:23:45 AM »
OEL is going to market at the same time too, and he'll be younger.

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #201 on: December 02, 2017, 12:29:29 AM »
Have fun not playing for a contender.

If teams can't build contenders paying great players market prices then something is fundamentally broken with the sport.
I should've probably rephrased that a bit, but I do think it's basically true, and I don't think you're wrong. Its the way it is with this hard cap system it seems - it's generally tougher to pay top dollar to FAs and expect to compete with a team that has RFAs on team friendly contracts.
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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #202 on: December 02, 2017, 12:40:38 AM »
I should've probably rephrased that a bit, but I do think it's basically true, and I don't think you're wrong. Its the way it is with this hard cap system it seems - it's generally tougher to pay top dollar to FAs and expect to compete with a team that has RFAs on team friendly contracts.

Obviously it goes without saying that you want all of your players outperforming their salaries but I don't think saying that it's "tougher" to be paying players market rates means it can't be done. Ovechkin signed for what was market rate at the time and the Caps have been pretty competitive. Ditto Lundqvist and the Rangers. Sure, it means the GM can't be playing on easy mode but those are two different things.

Beyond that, even if what you're saying is true, that shouldn't be on Karlsson and we shouldn't say it's indicative of a lack of desire on his part to be on a winning team. If it's true, it's that the league and by extension individual clubs that have put their own profitability above competitiveness. It's not Karlsson or any other player's responsibility to bear that burden and we shouldn't expect players to care much about winning if teams don't.
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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #203 on: December 02, 2017, 12:55:18 AM »
I should've probably rephrased that a bit, but I do think it's basically true, and I don't think you're wrong. Its the way it is with this hard cap system it seems - it's generally tougher to pay top dollar to FAs and expect to compete with a team that has RFAs on team friendly contracts.

Because I'm bored, here's a makeshift 2019/2020 roster with Karlsson signed as UFA:

Hyman (2.25) - Matthews (11) - Kapanen (1.5)
Marleau (6.25) - Kadri (4.5) - Marner (7)
Grundstrom (.925) - Nylander (7) - Brown (2.1)
Johnsson (1) - Aaltonen (1) - Leivo (1.2)
Gauthier (1.2)
Horton (LTIR)
Kessel (1.2)

Reilly (5) - Karlsson (11)
Dermott (.863333) - Zaitsev (4.5)
Borgman (1.5) - Liljegren (.925)
Carrick (1.5)

Andersen (5)
Pickard (1.5)

Cap hit: 79,913,333
Cap: 80,000,000 (conservative guess)
Cap space:86,667


After 19/20:
  • UFA
    • Marleau (-6.25)
    • Horton (----)
  • RFA
    • Brown (+2?)
    • Grundstrom (+1?)
    • Lilegren (+3?)
    • Dermott (+2?)

And guys like Gauthier, Aaltonen, Leivo, Kapanen, Borgman, Carrick all depend on length of contract.

So, after 19/20, there'll be some changes to keep under the cap, barring some massive cap increases or team-friendly deals.

Edit: This doesn't take into account bonus overages if we'd have any.
Edit2: Fixed my RFA numbers in the 'After 19/20' section - I didn't subtract current (19/20) cap hit before determining their increase on the cap.
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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #204 on: December 08, 2017, 04:20:06 PM »
I'd be pretty willing to give 3 years of Tyler Bozak money to Mikael Backlund, but I think someone will be giving him 6 years.

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #205 on: December 08, 2017, 04:36:29 PM »
I'd be pretty willing to give 3 years of Tyler Bozak money to Mikael Backlund, but I think someone will be giving him 6 years.

And north of $5M. 


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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #206 on: December 08, 2017, 04:55:01 PM »
WHAT ABOUT:
5M/1Yr for each of the Sedins.

Hyman (2.25) - Matthews (0.925) - Nylander (~7)
Marleau (6.25) - Kadri (4.5) - Brown(2.1)
Sedin (5) - Sedin (5) - Marner (0.894)
Martin (2.5) - Gauthier (~0.7) - Leivo (0.925)
Soshnikov (~0.9)
Kapanen (0.863)

Rielly (5) - Hainsey (3)
Gardiner (4.05) - Zaitsev (4.5)
Borgman (0.925) - Carrick (~0.8)
Dermott (0.863)

Andersen (5)
Sparks (0.675)

Not including Nylander's new contract, and assuming all the lesser players get signed for those estimates (~) above, also including Horton and Kessel and bonus overages, we're looking at almost 20M (out of ~78M) to work with for Nylander, a 3C, and 3LW.

You can fill both empty roles easily internally with Nylander + Marlie, OR just go to town on a 1 year deal for the Sedins which would bring us to around where we could use LTIR for the final year of Horton. Or even a 7-8M for 1 year Joe Thornton. (Tavares isn't doing a short term deal)

Unless we can pry Trouba (RFA) out of Winnipeg, there's not much on the market for defense worth pursuing.
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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #207 on: December 08, 2017, 05:05:44 PM »
It's only fair in that they owe Leaf fans.  After all, Sundin went over there to help them in his twilight. 

Neither one of them can score goals anymore, so unless you're thinking Marner is going to be the shooter on that line, I think I'd put Nylander with them. 

Swede line, man.

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #208 on: December 08, 2017, 05:51:41 PM »
Unless we can pry Trouba (RFA) out of Winnipeg, there's not much on the market for defense worth pursuing.

I'd be interested in de Hann depending on price and term.  If cheap and short termed, Mike Green would be an intriguing player.

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #209 on: January 09, 2018, 02:16:23 PM »
https://www.tsn.ca/radio/audio/dreger-jvr-would-prefer-six-years-36m-to-stay-with-leafs-1.962942

According to Dreger's supposing out loud, JvR is looking for 6x6 to stay with the Leafs.
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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #209 on: January 09, 2018, 02:16:23 PM »