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Offline Zee

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2017, 01:28:25 PM »
Problem is I've heard it said that Marleau has no interest in taking a pay cut from what he made last season -- $6.5M -- so that's a big no.

I'd be pretty stunned if anybody gave him $6.5mil. Especially on a multi-year contract. That's just not happening.

I like the guy, and as I said I'd give him $5mil, but he's had declining offensive stats for 4 seasons now. He's going to have to take a pay cut.

He may realize that if he's not signed by August.

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2017, 01:38:16 PM »
I plugged that plan into Capfriendly to see if it works:



That puts us right at the cap ceiling on day 1 of the season. Which is ideal if we're going to be using LTIR anyway. Once day 1 hits we put either Horton or Lupul on LTIR, and call up an extra forward (Kapanen) and an extra defenceman (Dermott/Borgman/Rosen).
Your hired, how exciting would that roster be going into the season.
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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2017, 02:41:16 PM »
Demers supposedly has a signing bonus due July 1st and Florida is trying to cut costs.  Come on Lou!

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2017, 02:48:49 PM »
Alternatively, overload the defense at a slight hit to our offense:

Trade JvR +Carrick for Demers + picks
Sing Shattenkirk
Sign Justin Williams
Sign Boyle/other 4th line center

Kapanen - Matthews - Marner
Williams - Bozak - Nylander
Komarov - Kadri - Brown
Martin - Boyle/other - Hyman

Reilly - Shattenkirk
Gardiner - Demers
Dermott/Rosen/Borgman - Zaitsev

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2017, 03:47:45 PM »
Deep in the armchair. That is, screw the “gud pros.”

UFA SIGNINGS   
Elliott as backup — 1 @ $2,000,000
Marleau and Thornton to matching “Win a Cup with Your Friend” deals — 2 yrs @ $5,000,000

RFA SIGNINGS   
Squeeze Connor Brown and Zach Hyman, massive offer sheet for Parayko.         
Brown — 2 @ $1,667,000
Hyman — 2 @ $1,333,000
Parayko — 6 @ $7,610,000
Compensation to STL: 2018 1st, 2019 1st, 2018 2nd, 2019 3rd

TRADES
Purge the pending UFAs (and Matt Martin) to recover some of those picks.
JvR to Florida for 1st & McCann
Bozak to whoever for a 1st or 2nd. Or even 3rd. Who cares?
Marchenko, Marincin, Komarov, Martin for 3rds to 7ths. Whatever.


CONTEND NOW WITH…
W. Nylander ($894,167) - A. Matthews ($925,000) - C. Brown ($1,667,000)
P. Marleau ($5,000,000) - J. Thornton ($5,000,000) - M. Marner ($894,167)
J. Leivo ($612,500) - N. Kadri ($4,500,000) - K. Kapanen ($863,333)
Z. Hyman ($1,333,000) - J. McCann ($894,167) - N. Soshnikov ($736,667)
 
M. Rielly ($5,000,000) - C. Parayko ($7,610,000)
J. Gardiner ($4,050,000) - N. Zaitsev ($4,500,000)
T. Dermott ($863,333) - C. Carrick ($750,000)
C. Rosén ($925,000)

F. Andersen ($5,000,000)
B. Elliott ($2,000,000)

AHL BURIED
E. Fehr ($975,000)

BUYOUTS
T. Gleason ($0) - J. Cowen ($0) - M. Grabovski ($0)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 21
NHL Salary Cap: $75,000,000
LTIR: $5,415,000
Bonus Overages: $5,370,000
Cap Hit: $69,061,667
Cap Space: $5,938,333

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2017, 04:01:10 PM »
The Blues would match the offer sheet at that number.

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2017, 04:10:12 PM »

Between getting dealt in the first place, the relatively low cost paid for him and the lack of chatter around him I really don't think Shattenkirk is going to be on the open market quite in the way we think. I could be wrong but I'd bet we hear about a deal between him and the Rangers pretty quickly on the 1st.
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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2017, 04:18:38 PM »

Between getting dealt in the first place, the relatively low cost paid for him and the lack of chatter around him I really don't think Shattenkirk is going to be on the open market quite in the way we think. I could be wrong but I'd bet we hear about a deal between him and the Rangers pretty quickly on the 1st.

That was my instinct too, but Friedman just posted a little primer that said the Rangers intend to be somewhat modest, only looking for some help up front to replace Stepan. (Bonino?)

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2017, 04:29:15 PM »

Between getting dealt in the first place, the relatively low cost paid for him and the lack of chatter around him I really don't think Shattenkirk is going to be on the open market quite in the way we think. I could be wrong but I'd bet we hear about a deal between him and the Rangers pretty quickly on the 1st.

That was my instinct too, but Friedman just posted a little primer that said the Rangers intend to be somewhat modest, only looking for some help up front to replace Stepan. (Bonino?)

Which is exactly what I'd say if I were the Rangers and looking to bolster my negotiating position.

Also, am I missing something about Parayko?  $7.6m, and they'd match that you think?

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2017, 04:39:11 PM »
Also, am I missing something about Parayko?  $7.6m, and they'd match that you think?

He's big, young, solid defensively, can skate, can pass, has some legit offensive production, is right handed...he's effectively what you'd design from scratch if you were looking to build a valuable defenseman in today's game. He doesn't have Norris level offence, sure, but that's about all he's missing. Teams won't let someone like that walk unless they have no other choice.
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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2017, 04:43:57 PM »
Also, am I missing something about Parayko?  $7.6m, and they'd match that you think?

Dellow's idea was to get to just under the 4 x 1st rounder compensation and make it impossible for STL to match. The huge bonus overage -- plus retained salary (Phil!) and the Zaitsev overpayment -- makes it impossible to much higher than 7.6m, even if you take a chainsaw to the rest of the roster.

Unless you get VGK to take Lupul's contract for a pick.

Then Dellow's 1x$9m for Parayko could work. Would have to hope you can re-sign him to something like 6x$7.5 the next season.





Now,

CONTEND WITH:

FORWARDS (14)
J. Leivo ($612,500) - A. Matthews ($925,000) - W. Nylander ($894,167)
P. Marleau ($5,250,000) - J. Thornton ($5,250,000) - M. Marner ($894,167)
L. Komarov ($2,950,000) - N. Kadri ($4,500,000) - C. Brown ($2,250,000)
M. Martin ($2,500,000)  - J. McCann ($894,167) - N. Soshnikov ($736,667)
N. Shore ($850,000) - Z. Hyman ($1,750,000)

DEFENSE (7)
M. Rielly ($5,000,000) - C. Parayko ($9,100,000)
J. Gardiner ($4,050,000) - N. Zaitsev ($4,500,000)
T. Dermott ($863,333) - C. Carrick ($750,000)
M. Hunwick ($1,250,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
F. Andersen ($5,000,000)
B. Elliott ($2,250,000)

AHL BURIED
E. Fehr ($975,000)

BUYOUTS
T. Gleason ($1,333,333) - J. Cowen ($750,000) - M. Grabovski ($0)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 23
NHL Salary Cap: $75,000,000
LTIR: $2,351,666
Bonus Overages: $5,370,000
Cap Hit: $75,000,000
Cap Space: $0
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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2017, 07:51:30 PM »
I'd be pretty stunned if anybody gave him $6.5mil. Especially on a multi-year contract. That's just not happening.

I like the guy, and as I said I'd give him $5mil, but he's had declining offensive stats for 4 seasons now. He's going to have to take a pay cut.

I also imagine he and Thornton will find the UFA market isn't as lucrative as they were hoping - which is why I'm not sure either of them make it to Saturday without re-upping in San Jose.
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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2017, 08:32:38 PM »
Oh, I forgot one thing, during one of Lou's many afternoon naps Dubas needs to take over the controls and trade Ben Smith somewhere. Anywhere. I just don't trust Babcock to not use him at some point if he's under contract with us.

Yeah right. They squandered Clarke Wilm's talents once upon a time.  You can be damn sure they won't make THAT mistake again.

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2017, 05:42:54 AM »
https://theathletic.com/71743/2017/06/29/mirtle-where-can-the-leafs-find-value-in-an-overpriced-star-thin-free-agent-market/

Mirtle and I have similar ideas, but he is much taller. I'm a better skater though, despite not being able to stop properly. And my ideas still include Griffith.
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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2017, 07:35:45 AM »
Yeah I like Williams too. Appears they might be in tough everywhere else though

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Re: Armchair GM 2017-2018
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2017, 07:35:45 AM »