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Re: McDavid's next contract
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2017, 11:22:04 AM »
I'm going on the assumption that Matthews has another great season and is considered among the best centers in the game.

Which, if it happens, will lead to him getting paid like one of the best centres in the league but the criteria would still be how good he is compared to other players, not how relatively valuable they are to their respective teams.
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2017, 11:36:41 AM »
Leafs management should bring the big three together in a room, say "Here's $25 million...figure how to split it amongst yourselves."

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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2017, 11:42:50 AM »
I feel like when a lot of these big contracts were signed, it was under the impression that the salary cap would continue to increase. Even with the increased revenues from Vegas, I'm not sure the cap will trend upwards quite as much.

I see the cap flatlining as well, but I think the key driver will be the new U.S. TV deal that comes up in 2021.  Which would be just before the midpoint of the new deals signed by Matthews, Marner and Nylander.

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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2017, 12:02:15 PM »
Leafs management should bring the big three together in a room, say "Here's $25 million...figure how to split it amongst yourselves."
It'll probably be more like $30M for all 3.

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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2017, 12:58:40 PM »
Leafs management should bring the big three together in a room, say "Here's $25 million...figure how to split it amongst yourselves."
It'll probably be more like $30M for all 3.

Uh, I'm thinking more like 22M.

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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2017, 01:16:15 PM »
I have a feeling if everyone of the big three wants big bucks.  They will have to part with one,my feeling is might be Nylander.  They might have to keep more of the Conner Brown types,  plus the defence needs spending.

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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2017, 01:17:45 PM »
Leafs management should bring the big three together in a room, say "Here's $25 million...figure how to split it amongst yourselves."
It'll probably be more like $30M for all 3.

Uh, I'm thinking more like 22M.

We'll see what Nylander comes in at.  If he signs 6x6 then Marner should be about the same so 22 will cover all 3.

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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2017, 02:04:40 PM »
Great problems to have. Remember when we were scratching and clawing and shipping out high picks to get one guy who may be good. Now we have three home-grown talents on the verge of elite that'll eventually need to be paid. If management is convinced of the character of the player I'm sure everyone will get the max 8 years, which helps with the AAV. Players love security.

We're seeing the key to this league now is keeping that system built up and flowing with prospects. After that core gets paid there's not much left to go around, so having fresh young talents constantly coming up and contributing on entry level contracts will keep a team in the race for Stanley's Cup. Obviously, see Chicago.
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2017, 02:08:40 PM »
Leafs management should bring the big three together in a room, say "Here's $25 million...figure how to split it amongst yourselves."
It'll probably be more like $30M for all 3.

Uh, I'm thinking more like 22M.

My thought was 10/11 for Matthews, and 7-8 for Marner and Nylander.

22 would be pretty impressive.

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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2017, 02:15:40 PM »
If management is convinced of the character of the player I'm sure everyone will get the max 8 years, which helps with the AAV. Players love security.

That's probably not the case here(if you need an example, consider McDavid's contract). Signing guys to 8 year second deals means buying a fair number of UFA years.
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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2017, 02:22:36 PM »
Leafs management should bring the big three together in a room, say "Here's $25 million...figure how to split it amongst yourselves."
It'll probably be more like $30M for all 3.

Uh, I'm thinking more like 22M.

My thought was 10/11 for Matthews, and 7-8 for Marner and Nylander.

22 would be pretty impressive.

I'm thinking 10/6/6.

I don't know how much weight it has on proceedings, but Kadri at 4.5M might drag things down for Marner/Nylander as he's a centre in a defense-first role and putting up the same points (they'll exceed him next year as he regresses). Comparable forwards coming off ELCs are Hall, Eberle, Seguin, JvR, Tavares, Ryan, Drouin... are all in the 5-6 year 4.5-6ish M range. Some of them have higher draft pedigrees (as if it actually means anything).

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Re: McDavid's next contract
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2017, 02:30:51 PM »
I'm thinking 10/6/6.

I don't know how much weight it has on proceedings, but Kadri at 4.5M might drag things down for Marner/Nylander as he's a centre in a defense-first role and putting up the same points (they'll exceed him next year as he regresses). Comparable forwards coming off ELCs are Hall, Eberle, Seguin, JvR, Tavares, Ryan, Drouin... are all in the 5-6 year 4.5-6ish M range. Some of them have higher draft pedigrees (as if it actually means anything).

It's definitely not going to mean as much as trying to upscale these deals to be comparable %'s of the cap as those deals were and the fact that very few of those guys had rookie years comparable to what Marner and Nylander did. If Marner and Nylander stall out and are still 60 point guys then you might have an argument at those numbers but if they're 70 or 75 point players they're not going to get the same money as Jonathan Drouin.
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Re: McDavid's next contract
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2017, 03:17:04 PM »
It's definitely not going to mean as much as trying to upscale these deals to be comparable %'s of the cap as those deals were and the fact that very few of those guys had rookie years comparable to what Marner and Nylander did. If Marner and Nylander stall out and are still 60 point guys then you might have an argument at those numbers but if they're 70 or 75 point players they're not going to get the same money as Jonathan Drouin.

Good point about cap %-age.

It'll be very interesting to see where those two pan out relative to current top-end forwards, especially with increased workloads and less sheltering.

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« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2017, 06:33:55 PM »
I think this will be a huge problem for the Leafs. If, and likely, Matthews gets $11-$12m then Willie and Marner will be looking for $8. That's too much unless Cap is sig. higher and that's not happening anytime soon. 
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« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2017, 09:33:23 AM »
I think this will be a huge problem for the Leafs. If, and likely, Matthews gets $11-$12m then Willie and Marner will be looking for $8. That's too much unless Cap is sig. higher and that's not happening anytime soon.

Well, we're talking 2 years from now before all 3 contracts are on the books, so the cap *could* be higher by $5-$10M then it is now.

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