Author Topic: Hamonic to CGY  (Read 1218 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline WhatIfGodWasALeaf

  • All Star
  • *****
  • Posts: 6484
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Hamonic to CGY
« on: June 24, 2017, 11:24:54 AM »
Per Lebrun

To Isles
1st
2nd
2nd

To CGY
Hamonic
4th

Offline Frank E

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 3279
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2017, 11:43:39 AM »
Damn.

Offline princedpw

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 1590
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2017, 12:07:11 PM »
Damn.

Would you have wanted the leafs to trade slightly more than that for Hamonic?  eg, straight-up 1st,2nd,2nd for him?

It would be interesting to do a tmlfans poll on that. 

I don't think I would want to do 1st, 2nd, 2nd for Hamonic.  I'm not sure Hamonic is quite good enough for that outlay (not that I really know).  I think another defenseman will become available and/or we'll need those picks for cost-controlled players 3 years from now.

Offline Frank E

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 3279
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2017, 12:18:02 PM »
Damn.

Would you have wanted the leafs to trade slightly more than that for Hamonic?  eg, straight-up 1st,2nd,2nd for him?

It would be interesting to do a tmlfans poll on that. 

I don't think I would want to do 1st, 2nd, 2nd for Hamonic.  I'm not sure Hamonic is quite good enough for that outlay (not that I really know).  I think another defenseman will become available and/or we'll need those picks for cost-controlled players 3 years from now.

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating 1st round pick plus 2 2nds going the other way for Hamonic.  But a deal with JVR being the centerpiece, I'm good with. 

He's only got one year to go on this deal, and I was advocating trading him earlier this season while his production was good, he was healthy, and he had some affordable term left on his deal that would lead me to think he was reasonably valuable as a trade centerpiece.

I'm more looking at the Chicagos and Pittsburghs of the league, and noticing that they trade out significant players every year to maintain their consistent competitiveness while remaining cap compliant.  Following this template, complementary pieces that surround your core are likely to be changed up a fair bit over the coming years, or at least they should be.  The idea is to trade-out pieces while they're still valuable, and before they become expensive.

So I think we should be turning JVR and Bozak into different currency ASAP, and I think Hamonic would very much fill a need on this team right now.

Offline Nik the Trik

  • Sittler Status
  • ******
  • Posts: 21723
  • Some Guy On a Message Board
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2017, 12:20:37 PM »

Or, if NYI only wants draft picks, you trade a 1st, 2nd and 2nd for him and then use JVR and/or Bozak to try and recoup some of those picks elsewhere.

I don't know if Hamonic is necessarily the guy you want but there's a limited number of top 4 defensemen who are going to move this year and if you keep balking at their price you're going to be left as the guy without the chair.
Give a man the reputation of an early riser and he can sleep 'til noon
-Mark Twain

Offline Deebo

  • Global Moderator
  • Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 4373
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2017, 12:28:27 PM »
NYI could have preferred to move him to the west.

Offline Frank E

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 3279
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2017, 12:30:22 PM »

Or, if NYI only wants draft picks, you trade a 1st, 2nd and 2nd for him and then use JVR and/or Bozak to try and recoup some of those picks elsewhere.

I don't know if Hamonic is necessarily the guy you want but there's a limited number of top 4 defensemen who are going to move this year and if you keep balking at their price you're going to be left as the guy without the chair.

Sure, same thing, as long as the picks are recouped at this point of the process. 

The Leafs aren't at the same point Calgary is at, at least I don't think they are yet.

Offline WhatIfGodWasALeaf

  • All Star
  • *****
  • Posts: 6484
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2017, 12:32:35 PM »
NYI could have preferred to move him to the west.

Good point, also the origin of this deal stems from Hamonic requesting a trade to Western Canada early last season for family reasons.

Offline Frank E

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 3279
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2017, 12:36:03 PM »
NYI could have preferred to move him to the west.

Good point, also the origin of this deal stems from Hamonic requesting a trade to Western Canada early last season for family reasons.

Yeah, I forgot about that.

Offline Nik the Trik

  • Sittler Status
  • ******
  • Posts: 21723
  • Some Guy On a Message Board
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2017, 12:46:51 PM »
NYI could have preferred to move him to the west.

That seems like a bit of a stretch. It's not like anyone out there would really be sweating getting burned by Travis Hamonic. If the reports were true and the Leafs were really in those discussions it seems likely that moving him to Toronto was ok both with the Islanders and Hamonic.
Give a man the reputation of an early riser and he can sleep 'til noon
-Mark Twain

Offline Deebo

  • Global Moderator
  • Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 4373
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2017, 12:55:26 PM »
The Isles beat writer seemed to think that was thier preference yesterday:


Offline princedpw

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 1590
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2017, 01:36:18 PM »
Our offense will suffer if we trade JVR, but I agree that it is something we should do if we can get a defenseman out of it.  We'll push Leivo into his spot.  Trading Bozak is tougher as even with him, we are so thin at the moment that a single center injury puts us in a tough spot.

Offline Bates

  • Rookie
  • ***
  • Posts: 934
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2017, 04:09:19 PM »
I think it has more with giving the player what he wants rather than fear of playing against him.  He asked for a trade out West last year for Family reasons. 
NYI could have preferred to move him to the west.

That seems like a bit of a stretch. It's not like anyone out there would really be sweating getting burned by Travis Hamonic. If the reports were true and the Leafs were really in those discussions it seems likely that moving him to Toronto was ok both with the Islanders and Hamonic.

Offline CarltonTheBear

  • Global Moderator
  • Sittler Status
  • *****
  • Posts: 18692
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2017, 05:38:05 PM »
Giordano-Hamilton / Brodie-Hamonic is one heck of a top-4 defence group. I mean it's no Nashville but it's gotta be right in that group after them.

Offline disco

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 1517
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2017, 07:23:55 PM »
Damn.

Would you have wanted the leafs to trade slightly more than that for Hamonic?  eg, straight-up 1st,2nd,2nd for him?

It would be interesting to do a tmlfans poll on that. 

I don't think I would want to do 1st, 2nd, 2nd for Hamonic.  I'm not sure Hamonic is quite good enough for that outlay (not that I really know).  I think another defenseman will become available and/or we'll need those picks for cost-controlled players 3 years from now.

Agreed. Keep the picks and keep drafting D, better in the long run. The Big Three are fricking 19, 19 and 20.
"I'm here for (6) more years. Then I'm gonna stay for two more because we'll be really good." - Coach Mike Babcock

TMLfans.ca

Re: Hamonic to CGY
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2017, 07:23:55 PM »