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Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
« Reply #120 on: June 13, 2017, 10:27:33 AM »
I am still not entirely sure how PIT won back to back with the D they have. I always thought of guys like Niedamyer, Pronger, Lidstrom, Keith/Seabrook as being massive reasons teams won but PIT has broke the mold for sure.Maybe the Leafs don't need a new 1A and 1B D to take the next step?

The Pens are an outlier, who have 2 of the top 5 forwards in the league on their roster - and had an excellent #1 defenceman for last year's Cup run. They're not exactly a model that can be followed, nor does their success downplay the Leafs' need to improve their blueline.
Crosby/Malkin/Kessel... Matthews/Nylander/Marner same thing right? I always thought we were so far away because we needed that Pronger like D man on the blueline but maybe just maybe we don't, maybe it's not an absolute requirement. Is Letang really a spectacular #1? Obviously PIT managed without him this playoffs.

Do Leafs need to upgrade their D? YES, will they be upgrading with elite talent anytime soon I would bet on NO. Could they possibly win without a 1A  D man... they will probably have to try since none seem to be available or in their system.
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Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
« Reply #121 on: June 13, 2017, 11:21:41 AM »
Crosby/Malkin/Kessel... Matthews/Nylander/Marner same thing right?

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Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
« Reply #122 on: June 13, 2017, 12:37:15 PM »
Flawed teams can win cups and, in fairness, with increasing parity every year a flawed team will win the cup. But you shouldn't aim for those flaws and you can't ignore the strengths of the team that paper over those flaws. Are the Leafs likely to have Crosby and Malkin down the middle? No, so we can't be the Penguins and we shouldn't aim for it.

You can't just measure things by successes. Far more teams have been undone by a bad or mediocre defense in the playoffs than have won in spite of it. You have to play the percentages and they're pretty good that you need top quality defensemen to win.

This is super.

There are segments of the NHL (and fanbases) that see playoff results and let it blind their decision making, but the playoffs are essentially a Rock, Paper, Scissors marathon of luck and attrition, clouded by small sample sizes when evaluating individual performances. Teams that have the most talent and depth of said talent at every spot tend to win out most frequently in the regular season and the playoffs.

Some teams will tend to copy the champs by plucking their non-core players that have played themselves beyond cap constraints; teams ought to be looking to copy the formula that led them to acquiring those players when they were cheap/free (drafting), developing them into effective cogs in the machine, and then eking out additional value beyond their play when they get too expensive (trades) to replenish resources for step 1.

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Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
« Reply #123 on: June 13, 2017, 03:33:49 PM »
Crosby/Malkin/Kessel... Matthews/Nylander/Marner same thing right?

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Exactly the same! Would you make that trade? lol... cup tomorrow or maybe multiple cups down the road.
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Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
« Reply #123 on: June 13, 2017, 03:33:49 PM »