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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2017, 01:29:45 PM »
None of the stuff about Finger being some great shutdown defenceman or even being used as a shutdown defensemen lined up though. SOMETHING there was screwy.

The truth is probably somewhere in between. I think they wanted to sign both of them, and the contract they gave to Finger was meant for Finger. I think they were just given the wrong talking points when it came to interviews and such, and, well, you know the rest.
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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2017, 01:49:39 PM »
I'll give you the finger if we keep talking about the Finger >:(
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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2017, 03:38:34 PM »
Borgman was a teammate of Brannstrom, btw, so our scouts have definitely been watching.

Suppose it's possible they signed Borgman by mistake than?

Not unheard of in these here circles.

Lou probably signed him because he likes all of those depressing black and white movies he made.

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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2017, 08:45:05 PM »
None of the stuff about Finger being some great shutdown defenceman or even being used as a shutdown defensemen lined up though. SOMETHING there was screwy.

You're only saying that through the lens of seeing things with intelligent modern eyes. Finger got a fair amount of PK time that year with Colorado and was a +12. That's more or less enough to be considered a good defensive defenseman if you're a dope.

Did they oversell it in the media? Sure, but keep in mind that everyone more or less immediately reacted to the deal with the same sort of disbelief we still have today so they were trying to fight the perception they were incompetent.
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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2017, 10:34:49 AM »
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2017/05/17/ville-leino-calle-rosen-probably-best-skater-ive-played/

Leino played the past season with Vaxjo (and a bit of the year previous after a stint in the KHL), so he had a pretty good look at Rosen (and Holm).

To qualify his assessment of Rosen being 'probably the best skater [he's] played with', Leino's last few NHL seasons were with Philadelphia and Buffalo so that's not really a high hurdle. Leino did have half a season (and change) with Detroit at the start of their decline, including the twilight of Lidstrom's career.

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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2017, 10:40:23 AM »
Leino did have half a season (and change) with Detroit at the start of their decline, including the twilight of Lidstrom's career.

Lidstrom did finish 1st and 3rd in Norris voting those years.
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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2017, 10:41:33 AM »
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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2017, 10:45:33 AM »
Leino did have half a season (and change) with Detroit at the start of their decline, including the twilight of Lidstrom's career.

Lidstrom did finish 1st and 3rd in Norris voting those years.

Lidstrom won his final two Norris trophies in the year before and the season after Leino's stint with the Red Wings, not that I put too much stock in Norris voting patterns. That second-last season before retiring was monstrous for anyone, let alone a 40 year old.

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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2017, 10:50:47 AM »
Lidstrom won his final two Norris trophies in the year before and the season after Leino's stint with the Red Wings, not that I put too much stock in Norris voting patterns. That second-last season before retiring was monstrous for anyone, let alone a 40 year old.

Yeah, my mistake. He finished 3rd and 4th in those two years. I think the point is he was still Nick Lidstrom.
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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2017, 10:56:04 AM »
Lidstrom won his final two Norris trophies in the year before and the season after Leino's stint with the Red Wings, not that I put too much stock in Norris voting patterns. That second-last season before retiring was monstrous for anyone, let alone a 40 year old.

Yeah, my mistake. He finished 3rd and 4th in those two years. I think the point is he was still Nick Lidstrom.

Oh I wasn't disagreeing with you. I'd still want Twilight Nick Lidstrom on my team. I think Leino didn't get to see peak Lidstrom, which is why he says crazy things like Rosen is the best skater he's played with, and reminds him of Lidstrom.

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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2017, 01:51:58 PM »
https://theathletic.com/60931/2017/05/18/mirtle-why-the-maple-leafs-are-loading-up-on-swedish-prospects/

Mirtle adds his thoughts on the new signings and theories about the recent surge of Swedish prospects. His articles are normally unlocked (for longer) so you can read it before griping about people making a living.

Apparently there were a lot of suitors for both Rosen (NHL skating, NHL shot) and Borgman (two-way play, physical, compact tank).

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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2017, 01:56:30 PM »
https://theathletic.com/60931/2017/05/18/mirtle-why-the-maple-leafs-are-loading-up-on-swedish-prospects/

Mirtle adds his thoughts on the new signings and theories about the recent surge of Swedish prospects. His articles are normally unlocked (for longer) so you can read it before griping about people making a living.

Apparently there were a lot of suitors for both Rosen (NHL skating, NHL shot) and Borgman (two-way play, physical, compact tank).

Not this one.  I'm with Marie-A: let Myrtle eat cake.

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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2017, 01:59:47 PM »
I'd imagine Holm isn't signing or they'd probably have announced together.

Looking into this a bit further, Holm got tapped to sub in for OEL at the World Championship, which would delay any signing he might have lined up.

Rosen was cut from the roster when another round of NHLers came up after the pre-tournament.
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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2017, 02:00:09 PM »
https://theathletic.com/60931/2017/05/18/mirtle-why-the-maple-leafs-are-loading-up-on-swedish-prospects/

Mirtle adds his thoughts on the new signings and theories about the recent surge of Swedish prospects. His articles are normally unlocked (for longer) so you can read it before griping about people making a living.

Apparently there were a lot of suitors for both Rosen (NHL skating, NHL shot) and Borgman (two-way play, physical, compact tank).

Not this one.  I'm with Marie-A: let Myrtle eat cake.

I was thinking of you  ;)

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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2017, 03:02:17 PM »
https://theathletic.com/60931/2017/05/18/mirtle-why-the-maple-leafs-are-loading-up-on-swedish-prospects/

Mirtle adds his thoughts on the new signings and theories about the recent surge of Swedish prospects. His articles are normally unlocked (for longer) so you can read it before griping about people making a living.

Apparently there were a lot of suitors for both Rosen (NHL skating, NHL shot) and Borgman (two-way play, physical, compact tank).

Not this one.  I'm with Marie-A: let Myrtle eat cake.

I was thinking of you  ;)

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Re: Swedish defencemen RosÚn & Borgman signed to ELCs
« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2017, 03:02:17 PM »