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Offline Frank E

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Re: Ben Smith re-signed to a 1-year deal
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2017, 02:00:47 PM »
No way they will protect Marincin over Carrick. Carrick was a top 3 regular, Marincin was not. It is that simple.

I agree that Carrick is more likely to be protected, but that's because of his age/ceiling. But I do see the argument that Babcock would value Marincin more. Yes, Carrick was in the line-up a lot more but that's largely just because of handedness. When Marincin did play he averaged just as much even-strength ice-time as Carrick did plus he was actually 2nd on the team in PK ice-time per game. Babcock even went as far as to say Marincin might be the teams best penalty killer. I mean it's a little baffling as to why he sat so much when you hear him talk like that but Babcock's gonna Babcock sometimes.

Carrick meanwhile won't ever get a regular job at killing penalties probably. He's 4th on the defence depth chart for powerplay time, and the team only gives 2 defencemen powerplay time so he's not going to be playing there ever on a regular basis. If we lose Hunwick or Hunwick's role on the team is decreased next season someone is going to have to take his PK minutes and that could definitely make Marincin a more appealing option to protect.

BGBS - That's a mnemonic we need to use around here. 
BGBS #1.  Playing defensemen on their strong side as much as humanly possible meant that Marincin had to outplay Hunwick to get a spot in the lineup.  Carrick had to outplay just one out of a group that included Corrado, Marchenko, and Polak.  Carrick had an easier path to a spot, and developed some chemistry with Jake that helped him.

So I wouldn't look so much into who played in more games as to whom Babcock prefers.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Marincin protected over Carrick.

However, in terms of handed-ness depth for next year on NHL contracts we are currently at:

Gardiner - Rielly - Marincin - Dermott - Nielsen - Valiev
Zaitsev - Carrick - Marchenko - Holl

Based on that list, I'd much rather lose Marincin to Vegas than Carrick.  Especially with the list of UFA RHD being Shattenkirk, Franson, and a bunch of players I'd rather not talk about.  Management might see the same thing- a huge hole if they lose Carrick over Marincin.

I'm no big Carrick fan...he's OK...but I'd have to think that Marincin is more easily replaced on the UFA market than Carrick is.

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Re: Ben Smith re-signed to a 1-year deal
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2017, 02:52:04 PM »
I'm no big Carrick fan...he's OK...but I'd have to think that Marincin is more easily replaced on the UFA market than Carrick is.

I was hoping Carrick would have a breakout year this season, but I really don't think that happened. We sometimes talk about him as playing in the top-4 but he basically played the exact same minutes Hunwick and Polak did at even-strength and as already discussed didn't get any special teams time. So you can definitely make the case that he was actually the teams #6 defenceman this season. I do think he still has some room to grow but I'm not really counting on him to ever become a top-4 anymore.

As for who the easiest to replace would be, well there's already a defenceman out there familiar with the team who has practically begged the Leafs to sign him in the media a little bit ago.

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Re: Ben Smith re-signed to a 1-year deal
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2017, 03:01:59 PM »
I'm no big Carrick fan...he's OK...but I'd have to think that Marincin is more easily replaced on the UFA market than Carrick is.

I was hoping Carrick would have a breakout year this season, but I really don't think that happened. We sometimes talk about him as playing in the top-4 but he basically played the exact same minutes Hunwick and Polak did at even-strength and as already discussed didn't get any special teams time. So you can definitely make the case that he was actually the teams #6 defenceman this season. I do think he still has some room to grow but I'm not really counting on him to ever become a top-4 anymore.

As for who the easiest to replace would be, well there's already a defenceman out there familiar with the team who has practically begged the Leafs to sign him in the media a little bit ago.

Just to add to this...Since they've now got $5m in long-term Rielly, $4.05 long-term'ish in Gardiner, and now $4.5 in long term Zaitsev, you have to think that if they're going to bring in a heavy #1 guy, it's going to be Carrick's ice time that's going backwards.  The bottom 2 will likely be the PK guys, and if Carrick isn't a PKer, than I have to think he's the one that's out once they find a top-pairing guy.  And I'm assuming that they're looking to add a top pairing guy.

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Re: Ben Smith re-signed to a 1-year deal
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2017, 03:17:22 PM »
If Carrick can continue to improve I think he'd be a very good bottom pairing guy with top-four potential, he is still very green for an NHL dman, there is no reason to think he can't continue to get better.

Marincin doesn't have that kind of ceiling, in my opinion. He'll never be better than a bottom pairing penalty killer with a penchant for a brain fart.

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Re: Ben Smith re-signed to a 1-year deal
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2017, 07:27:16 PM »
So I was mulling this last week: Boyle makes the forth line pretty palatable. But he is on the wrong side of 30 and sounds like he's looking for one last ride.

What does everyone think of re-upping Colin Greening as the 4th line option? I liked him best of the three sens salary dumps. At the very least, a two-way deal at a more reasonable price, as I hear he has been the Marlies' Gary Roberts.

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Re: Ben Smith re-signed to a 1-year deal
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2017, 10:47:09 PM »
So I was mulling this last week: Boyle makes the forth line pretty palatable. But he is on the wrong side of 30 and sounds like he's looking for one last ride.

What does everyone think of re-upping Colin Greening as the 4th line option? I liked him best of the three sens salary dumps. At the very least, a two-way deal at a more reasonable price, as I hear he has been the Marlies' Gary Roberts.

I'd be happy to keep Greening around as a depth/13th forward type. Sign him for the max bury-able contract (a little over $1M per for 17/18). I'd also be open to holding on to Boyle on a 2 or 3 year deal at $2.5M per or less.
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Re: Ben Smith re-signed to a 1-year deal
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2017, 07:03:42 AM »
I agree with Carlton and Busta
This signing of Smith guarantees that Martin will be protected.

I'm guessing the last forward protected is Leipsic, and the
last dman protected is Marinicin.  (He played more minutes
in the playoffs than Carrick did).

So Vegas can pick one of the following

Fehr, Rychel, Griffith, Leivo, Carrick or Sparks

No way they will protect Marincin over Carrick. Carrick was a top 3 regular, Marincin was not. It is that simple.

100% agree here.  Carriick had a great season as a 22 yr old, has a lot more upside and possesses a physical element to his game.  He seem to wear down a bit at the end of season, but who knows he may of been dealing with injuries or just not used to the grind of full season yet.

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Re: Ben Smith re-signed to a 1-year deal
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2017, 07:03:42 AM »