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Re: Capitals @ Leafs - Apr. 23rd, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
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Re: Capitals @ Leafs - Apr. 23rd, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #211 on: April 24, 2017, 03:35:52 PM »
It's always easy to pick on defense but I think in the end the offense cooling down/getting shut down is what cost us. 

The Caps were kept to 1 goal in regulation the final two games but we just couldn't get 2 to put a game away, Matthews was amazing scoring in both games but we needed someone else to step up and put one in to get it to 7. 

Marner looked small and Nylander shot 4.3% both of things can easily change next year.
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Re: Capitals @ Leafs - Apr. 23rd, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #212 on: April 25, 2017, 01:23:53 AM »
It's always easy to pick on defense but I think in the end the offense cooling down/getting shut down is what cost us. 

The Caps were kept to 1 goal in regulation the final two games but we just couldn't get 2 to put a game away, Matthews was amazing scoring in both games but we needed someone else to step up and put one in to get it to 7. 

Marner looked small and Nylander shot 4.3% both of things can easily change next year.


The biggest question is where was Marner?  His passing, scoring skills seemed either diminished or stunted, if we can call it that.  Why was he not shifted to another line, ex. mix up some of the lines.  True that Marner perhaps was contributing more of a 'defensive' role but at the expense of  his much-needed (potential) production? 

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Re: Capitals @ Leafs - Apr. 23rd, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #213 on: April 25, 2017, 07:48:56 AM »


The biggest question is where was Marner?  His passing, scoring skills seemed either diminished or stunted, if we can call it that.  Why was he not shifted to another line, ex. mix up some of the lines.  True that Marner perhaps was contributing more of a 'defensive' role but at the expense of  his much-needed (potential) production?

Marner is a 19-year old rookie playing in his first NHL playoffs against the best team in all of hockey. Yea, I'm not sure we need to worry that much about his lack of production as of yet.

But I was a little surprised that there was no line shifting whatsoever. Hyman had a good game six, granted, but he's otherwise completely out of his element on the 1st line. Brown should have been bumped down a line or two as well. I would have liked to have seen JVR on the top line, Marner on the 2nd w/ Kadri and Kapanen with Bozak and Brown on the 3rd line. And maybe something like Hyman, Boyle and Soshkinov to round it out.

Anyhow I was very pleased with the quality of hockey regardless. Riveting games from start to finish. And I was amazed at how clean and disciplined Washington was last game so as not to get called for a full powerplay  ;)


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Re: Capitals @ Leafs - Apr. 23rd, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #214 on: April 25, 2017, 08:14:51 AM »
But I was a little surprised that there was no line shifting whatsoever. Hyman had a good game six, granted, but he's otherwise completely out of his element on the 1st line. Brown should have been bumped down a line or two as well. I would have liked to have seen JVR on the top line, Marner on the 2nd w/ Kadri and Kapanen with Bozak and Brown on the 3rd line. And maybe something like Hyman, Boyle and Soshkinov to round it out.

This is why it was sort of baffling that Babcock basically ran the exact same forward group from the start of the season to the very end. The playoffs aren't really the time where you want to be doing these sort of line experimentation. You just don't have the luxury of giving them enough time to see if they will work or not.

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Re: Capitals @ Leafs - Apr. 23rd, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #215 on: April 25, 2017, 08:42:10 AM »
But I was a little surprised that there was no line shifting whatsoever. Hyman had a good game six, granted, but he's otherwise completely out of his element on the 1st line. Brown should have been bumped down a line or two as well. I would have liked to have seen JVR on the top line, Marner on the 2nd w/ Kadri and Kapanen with Bozak and Brown on the 3rd line. And maybe something like Hyman, Boyle and Soshkinov to round it out.

This is why it was sort of baffling that Babcock basically ran the exact same forward group from the start of the season to the very end. The playoffs aren't really the time where you want to be doing these sort of line experimentation. You just don't have the luxury of giving them enough time to see if they will work or not.

Though they were driving for the playoffs, I think it was still treated very much as a developmental season, even towards the end. Lineup stability might have been part of that equation.

Our external assessments also don't fully align with their internal evaluations (obviously, as Babcock continues to love Martin, Hyman, first half Hunlak), so whatever they were measuring, it was working for them.

I would have much preferred more experimentation in the early goings (even when things appeared to be working) to get a better feel for the prospects in the pipeline: which playstyles mesh well with theirs? are they carrying their weight, or are they passengers? what roles do they gravitate towards? which in-betweener might have more to give with a greater opportunity?

I don't know the exact reason, but lineup stability, even to the detriment of coaching flexibility, was clearly a tenet the Leafs felt the need to abide by. And this is how far we could get with that particular hand tied, so that's rather exciting.

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Re: Capitals @ Leafs - Apr. 23rd, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #216 on: April 25, 2017, 03:38:01 PM »
Yeah, I'm not worried about Marner.  He scored just fine in the OHL playoffs (69 points in 34 playoff games; 15 points in 7 Memorial Cup games).

He played in 82 games last year between the OHL Regular Season, Team Canada, OHL Playoffs and Memorial Cup.  That was spaced over October to essentially June (9 months). 

This year he played in 83 games over 7 months.  You travel and stay in better places than junior hockey but the mileage is longer.  I'm not worried about a guy who put up 61 regular season points and backed his way into 4 points in the postseason despite his entirely line not playing very well offensively.  Everything about Marner's game is based on his ability to handle physical contact because of his elusive play.  But like every rookie, he needs to learn how to do it at the next step.  Marner has done that in every year of his career.  No reason to suspect that he won't be able to adjust for next season.

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Re: Capitals @ Leafs - Apr. 23rd, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
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