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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2017, 11:18:16 AM »
To me it's simple: more games equals more development. So, the more success they have in the playoffs, the more opportunity for development. I don't think losing or winning, per se, will change much in terms of their development.

Four straight seven-game series culminating in a Stanley Cup win would obviously be ideal. You know, from a development stand-point.

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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2017, 11:28:15 AM »
To me it's simple: more games equals more development. So, the more success they have in the playoffs, the more opportunity for development. I don't think losing or winning, per se, will change much in terms of their development.

Four straight seven-game series culminating in a Stanley Cup win would obviously be ideal. You know, from a development stand-point.

I was thinking about this.  Wouldn't 16 games be more ideal.  Maybe a few go to overtime just to get some of that pressure situation but 16 straight seems like a good character building experience.

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2017, 09:05:12 AM »
It would probably be wise to remember that hockey is a very fluid sport, and that while one year you can be a genius, the next you can be a fool.  Ask Dean Lombardi.
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2017, 09:07:33 AM »
It would probably be wise to remember that hockey is a very fluid sport, and that while one year you can be a genius, the next you can be a fool.  Ask Dean Lombardi.

Once the Leafs win 2 cups in the near future and then fall apart, I'll have no problem calling Shanahan and company fools.

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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2017, 09:12:14 AM »
It would probably be wise to remember that hockey is a very fluid sport, and that while one year you can be a genius, the next you can be a fool.  Ask Dean Lombardi.

Once the Leafs win 2 cups in the near future and then fall apart, I'll have no problem calling Shanahan and company fools.

My point was that it's sometimes hard to tell if someone is making the right decisions, or if they are just getting lucky.  People thought Lombardi was doing a great job, but that Kings team is in a real mess.  Also he didn't do so hot in making a team for the world cup of hockey.  So the question becomes, is he a smart GM, or did he just catch lightning in a bottle?  Or is he more of a situational GM?  He's good at building but lacks skill at maintaining a team?  If he's good a building, why wasn't the team that he put together for the World cup of hockey better?

The thing is, that things are great in Leaf land right now, but there is still work to be done. 
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Re: President Brendan Shanahan
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2017, 09:18:20 AM »
It would probably be wise to remember that hockey is a very fluid sport, and that while one year you can be a genius, the next you can be a fool.  Ask Dean Lombardi.

Once the Leafs win 2 cups in the near future and then fall apart, I'll have no problem calling Shanahan and company fools.

My point was that it's sometimes hard to tell if someone is making the right decisions, or if they are just getting lucky.  People thought Lombardi was doing a great job, but that Kings team is in a real mess.  Also he didn't do so hot in making a team for the world cup of hockey.  So the question becomes, is he a smart GM, or did he just catch lightning in a bottle?  Or is he more of a situational GM?  He's good at building but lacks skill at maintaining a team?  If he's good a building, why wasn't the team that he put together for the World cup of hockey better?

The thing is, that things are great in Leaf land right now, but there is still work to be done.

I don't think anyone is disputing that with the Leafs. What else can the management team do at this point though?  They've built a team the way most fans should agree would equate to long-term success...building through the draft and developing your own talent first and foremost.   Remains to be seen what they do going forward, but right now I have very little issue with management's moves.  I'm the first guy designing the Shanahan statue to go up in front of the ACC right now.

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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2017, 09:19:45 AM »
I'd hate to think where the Leafs would be without Shanahan.  Doubt there would have been a Babcock behind the bench....

...nevermind.  The most important thing is glad that Shanny is on our side, and appreciative, as a Leafs fan, for all that he has done for this organization.

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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2017, 09:36:06 AM »
My point was that it's sometimes hard to tell if someone is making the right decisions, or if they are just getting lucky.

I don't know if I'd put it like that. Building a team into a contender and then keeping them there are two completely different tasks. I think Lombardi did a really good job with the first one, but then winning with his group made him blind to some of their warts.

That's why what the Blackhawks did with Tallon was so smart, even though that switch was made before they won their Cup. But I think that he had the same issue. And quite frankly we might be wise to make that same move with Lou sooner rather than later.
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2017, 09:49:20 AM »
So much easier to be constructively ruthless with someone else's build.

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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2017, 10:02:09 AM »
There's a lot of luck involved in this whole process, especially with drafting being such an inexact science, injuries, and developmental curves that vary from player to player.

I think we attribute too much credit to GM's when they win, and we're too critical when they lose, in many cases anyway. 

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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2017, 10:06:15 AM »
There's a lot of luck involved in this whole process, especially with drafting being such an inexact science, injuries, and developmental curves that vary from player to player.

I think we attribute too much credit to GM's when they win, and we're too critical when they lose, in many cases anyway. 

I would say this is definitely true, yeah. LA drafted Kopitar 11th in 2005. The 5 players drafted directly ahead of him were Luc Bourdon (not a bust of course), Brian Lee, Devin Setoguchi, Jack Skille, Gilbert Brule.

Every good team out there has basically relied on luck through the draft to get to where they are.

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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2017, 10:16:26 AM »
"I'm here for (6) more years. Then I'm gonna stay for two more because we'll be really good." - Coach Mike Babcock

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Re: President Brendan Shanahan
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2017, 10:37:12 AM »
http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/prime-time-sports/toronto-teams-success-can-attributed-great-leaders/

Props to Leiweke as well. Great interview here.

Good interview, and pretty much sums up what Leiweke and Shanahan were able to set in motion.  Get the owners to buy into a rebuild, stick to it and have patience.  Hopefully they continue to stay the course and don't make rash decisions going forward, this team is on the right track for the first time in my lifetime.

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Re: President Brendan Shanahan
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2017, 01:01:01 PM »
Good refresher on the Shanaplan, Day 1:

https://youtu.be/N8aA94Y0wfs

Of course, Steve Simmons with the first stupid question of the press conference 9 minutes in.
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Re: President Brendan Shanahan
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2017, 06:15:51 AM »
Steven Brunt follows Shanny around his childhood areas in Toronto:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c86Tf3P7Hzs
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Re: President Brendan Shanahan
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2017, 06:15:51 AM »