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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2017, 07:28:33 PM »
I am not the bent out of shape about this. I have great memories of watching Canada battle for medals prior to the NHL involvement.  Besides I don't see any other pro leagues shutting down mid-season. If it isn't worth it to the NHL then so be it.

That's another big thing. NBA players going doesn't interrupt their seasons. Nobody seems to blink an eye when MLB refuses to participate in the summer when baseball has been an official Olympic sport, and no one will be surprised when they don't participate in 2020. It's a major inconvenience, and if the teams aren't actually getting anything in return, why would they keep going back?
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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2017, 07:48:45 PM »
I'm disappointed because the Olympics represent to me the pinnacle of international competition featuring the best athletes in the world. But, I understand the economics of it.

I think this is perfectly fair. While there's a part of me that always side-eyed anyone taking too much away from any short, single elimination tournament there is a reality that is disappointing here as the World Championships don't feature best on best and the World Cup was disappointing in terms of the quality of hockey on display. The Olympics were a best on best tournament that resulted in great hockey and it sucks to lose it without a real replacement.

I just don't think we can turn a blind eye to the reality of the tournament from a business perspective. For years the line was that the Olympics really sold the game internationally but after 2014 it felt like the feeling coming out of the tournament was "Wow, that was great. Why can't the NHL be more like that?" and there's really only so long you can expect the NHL to be on board with something like that.
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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2017, 07:52:27 PM »
Sounds like Ovechkin's going to go in any event.

To echo something said by people far more connected than I am, if the NHL doesn't go it's a virtual certainty that the NHL will pass a league wide rule saying players can't go. I'm sure Ted Leonsis doesn't want to be the jerk who tells Ovechkin he'll get suspended if he leaves the team but that's where Bettman's services to the league will come in.
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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2017, 04:27:51 PM »
Differing opinions, differing viewpoints...

As per Friedman:
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The Olympics are making money off hockey and they felt very strongly the organization should pay.

As John Shannon reported last month, the NHL tried to negotiate some financial compromise. It asked for the IOC to “buy” a home date or two from each team.

The league also tried with the players, asking them to guarantee they would not opt out of the current CBA, including a three-year extension past its current expiry of 2022. The players declined, saying they believe they should not have to give up anything in exchange for Olympic participation.

The IOC not willing to give up anything. The NHL, feeling it's not getting anything. The players felt this wasn’t their problem to solve.

...it’s bad. But, the honest truth is that this is business, not unicorn world. The NHL owners are taking all the risk and the IOC isn’t the most sympathetic organization. The problem with hockey negotiations in the last 25 years is that they aren’t about what’s best for the game. No one does anything unless they get something.

...what impact, if any, this will have on the NHL’s participation in the 2022 Beijing Games. Last week, the NHL announced it will play a pair of exhibition games in China as part of a long-term strategy to tap into that giant market. The Chinese government, with help from the NHL, is making major investments in hockey infrastructure leading up to the 2022 Games. The Chinese may have a big say in whether we see NHLers return to the Olympics for 2022.


http://www.sportsnet.ca/olympics/nhls-decision-not-send-players-olympics-bad-hockey/
« Last Edit: April 05, 2017, 04:30:20 PM by hockeyfan1 »

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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2017, 11:57:28 AM »
Someone on twitter today floated the idea of recently retired players coming to play in the Olympics since NHLers won't be there. I have no idea if they would necessarily better than using amateurs/players playing overseas but that'd be an interesting question for managements teams to discuss on a case-by-case basis. Kind of like how Eric Gagne played for Canada at the WBC.
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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2017, 06:58:18 PM »
reporterchris: The NHL officially names Tampa as host of the 2018 all-star game. Pretty strong sign the Olympic discussions are truly over.

reporterchris: Gary Bettman on if 2018 Olympics are still an open issue: "It is not and has not been."

Translation: It's over.

reporterchris: Gary Bettman says NHL has "an expectation" no players under contract will go to the 2018 Olympics. No specifics on rule(s), though.

Basically, the final nails in that particular coffin.
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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2017, 08:10:03 PM »

Apparently they had some discussions about moving hockey to the Summer olympics but that was a non-starter.
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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2017, 01:44:32 PM »

Interesting news from Friedman that teams will be allowed to loan players on AHL-only contracts to national teams for olympics and potentially players on two-way deals as well.
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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2017, 01:51:11 PM »

Interesting news from Friedman that teams will be allowed to loan players on AHL-only contracts to national teams for olympics and potentially players on two-way deals as well.

Yeah how they handle players in the AHL was always an interesting question to me. I obviously don't really know what the strength of Finland or Sweden's non-NHL depth is like, but I wonder if guys like Kapanen or the two Swedish defencemen we signed would be of any interest to their respective national teams if they're in the AHL. Or even Liljegren if he's in the AHL and performing at a high level.

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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2017, 05:23:07 AM »
Canada's Men's 2018 Olympic hockey squad  will have Wilie Desjardins as it's bench boss and Sean Burke as GM, as annoinced by Hockey Canada.  Desjardins will have assistant coaches Dave King, Scott Walker, and Craig Woodcroft (KHL & Swiss League-experienced).  Martin Brodeur will also be a part of the management team.

As for rosters, in light of the fact that the NHL has effectively closed the door on Olympic participation by it's players, Team Canada will need to look elsewhere, and by that Hockey Canada will evaluate the players as per the following rosters that will be participating in a total of five tournaments -- starting from next month (early August), and culminating with the Spengler Cup Tournament in December.

View roster for The Sochi Open (August)
https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Men/National/2017-18/sochi-hockey-open/stats/team-rosters?teamid=533

View roster for Tournament of Nikolai Puchkov (Augiist)
https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Men/National/2017-18/nikolai-puchkov/stats/team-rosters?teamid=546

Lots of work yet ro be done.

Story:
http://globalnews.ca/news/3623015/hockey-canada-to-announce-2018-olympic-mens-coaches-and-schedule/
« Last Edit: July 26, 2017, 05:40:22 AM by hockeyfan1 »

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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2017, 10:01:09 AM »
Can Justin Pogge make team Canada?

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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2017, 11:55:07 AM »
Canada's Men's 2018 Olympic hockey squad  will have Wilie Desjardins as it's bench boss and Sean Burke as GM, as annoinced by Hockey Canada.  Desjardins will have assistant coaches Dave King, Scott Walker, and Craig Woodcroft (KHL & Swiss League-experienced).  Martin Brodeur will also be a part of the management team.

As for rosters, in light of the fact that the NHL has effectively closed the door on Olympic participation by it's players, Team Canada will need to look elsewhere, and by that Hockey Canada will evaluate the players as per the following rosters that will be participating in a total of five tournaments -- starting from next month (early August), and culminating with the Spengler Cup Tournament in December.

View roster for The Sochi Open (August)
https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Men/National/2017-18/sochi-hockey-open/stats/team-rosters?teamid=533

View roster for Tournament of Nikolai Puchkov (Augiist)
https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Men/National/2017-18/nikolai-puchkov/stats/team-rosters?teamid=546

Lots of work yet ro be done.

Story:
http://globalnews.ca/news/3623015/hockey-canada-to-announce-2018-olympic-mens-coaches-and-schedule/
Brutal... the hockey fans are getting robbed here. I am positive we will be forced fed the World Cup. As a fan of the Maple Leafs, the only meaningful winning I have experienced has come via Team Canada. Sakic/Kariya/Lemeuix, the release of the caged gorillas for the Canada 7 Russia 3 game in Vancouver, the Golden Goal, the 2014 defense... I am totally bummed about this.

The World Cup better move from it's crappy all star team format to country versus country.
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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2017, 12:08:38 PM »
The World Cup better move from it's crappy all star team format to country versus country.

Of all the things I didn't like about the World Cup, the format wasn't one of them. Team North America was a blast to watch.
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Re: 2018 Olympics
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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2017, 02:13:18 PM »
The World Cup better move from it's crappy all star team format to country versus country.

Of all the things I didn't like about the World Cup, the format wasn't one of them. Team North America was a blast to watch.
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Re: 2018 Olympics
« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2017, 02:13:18 PM »