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Re: Auston Matthews
« Reply #645 on: October 19, 2017, 01:18:19 PM »
I also won't say yet that he's better than Sundin or Gilmour, but if I'm on a train to Montreal and I just passed Kingston, I'm going to assume I'm getting to Montreal. I fully expect to believe he's the best Leaf in my life time at some point in the relatively near future.

I have no doubt he'll get there barring some major issue like injury.  The kid's skills are unique and amazing to watch game in game out.

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« Reply #646 on: October 19, 2017, 01:20:46 PM »

I don't think I'm personally quite at the point where I'd say he's better than Sundin at his best. I think Sundin's best years are fairly underrated considering the level of support he had and the general way the game was played in those dead puck years.

This.  I am biased, as Mats is my favorite player, but I was just thinking last night (watching Matthews) that if he had played when they are calling the game as they do now, I can only imagine how many points he would have racked up.  He spent half his time on the ice with somebody hooking or obstructing him -- that's the only way they could stop him.

Matthews may well one day become the greatest Leaf ever -- in fact I hope he does.  But Sundin is a first-ballot HOFer; it will be a long time yet before we can be sure that Matthews will be too.

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« Reply #647 on: October 19, 2017, 03:03:29 PM »
I also won't say yet that he's better than Sundin or Gilmour, but if I'm on a train to Montreal and I just passed Kingston, I'm going to assume I'm getting to Montreal. I fully expect to believe he's the best Leaf in my life time at some point in the relatively near future.

I have no doubt he'll get there barring some major issue like injury.  The kid's skills are unique and amazing to watch game in game out.

Put me down for this.

He's not yet better than Sundin at his best, but that's a less relevant point of comparison than Sundin, age 19-20. I'm too young to remember that.

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Re: Auston Matthews
« Reply #648 on: October 19, 2017, 03:33:12 PM »
He's not yet better than Sundin at his best, but that's a less relevant point of comparison than Sundin, age 19-20. I'm too young to remember that.

Sundin also wasn't a Leaf for those years, so, even if he was better than Matthews' then, it wouldn't make him a better Leaf.
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Re: Auston Matthews
« Reply #649 on: October 19, 2017, 04:06:09 PM »
He's not yet better than Sundin at his best, but that's a less relevant point of comparison than Sundin, age 19-20. I'm too young to remember that.

Sundin also wasn't a Leaf for those years, so, even if he was better than Matthews' then, it wouldn't make him a better Leaf.

And Auston could refuse to sign here during his UFA years and not be much of a Leaf. Yes.

I'm just trying to make sense of how he looks compared to what I remember of Sundin, and running into the problem of never having Sundin at a comparable age. Who knows what Matthews will look like in 10 years?

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« Reply #650 on: October 19, 2017, 04:56:31 PM »
Does Auston have commercials like this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySjUgBSA80g

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« Reply #651 on: October 19, 2017, 09:17:22 PM »
I also won't say yet that he's better than Sundin or Gilmour, but if I'm on a train to Montreal and I just passed Kingston, I'm going to assume I'm getting to Montreal. I fully expect to believe he's the best Leaf in my life time at some point in the relatively near future.

I have no doubt he'll get there barring some major issue like injury.  The kid's skills are unique and amazing to watch game in game out.

Put me down for this.

He's not yet better than Sundin at his best, but that's a less relevant point of comparison than Sundin, age 19-20. I'm too young to remember that.


Sundin, at age 21, had a 30 game point streak.  Finished with 114 points that year.  However that was with the Nordiques.
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Re: Auston Matthews
« Reply #652 on: October 19, 2017, 09:40:41 PM »
I also won't say yet that he's better than Sundin or Gilmour, but if I'm on a train to Montreal and I just passed Kingston, I'm going to assume I'm getting to Montreal. I fully expect to believe he's the best Leaf in my life time at some point in the relatively near future.

I have no doubt he'll get there barring some major issue like injury.  The kid's skills are unique and amazing to watch game in game out.

Put me down for this.

He's not yet better than Sundin at his best, but that's a less relevant point of comparison than Sundin, age 19-20. I'm too young to remember that.


Sundin, at age 21, had a 30 game point streak.  Finished with 114 points that year.  However that was with the Nordiques.
You have to look at them relative to the rest of the league though. In Sundin's rookie year he wasn't in the top 50 of NHL scorers and didn't win rookie of the year. Matthews was 20th overall in scoring in his rookie season.

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Re: Auston Matthews
« Reply #653 on: October 20, 2017, 01:21:58 AM »
You have to look at them relative to the rest of the league though. In Sundin's rookie year he wasn't in the top 50 of NHL scorers and didn't win rookie of the year. Matthews was 20th overall in scoring in his rookie season.

I don't think you can just look at it in that way though. Matthews also joined a team that seemed built to shelter the rookies, with a couple good scoring lines and with veterans in key places. Sundin joined one of the all-time worst teams in history.

The Nordiques had 31 points the year before Sundin joined. That's not a typo.
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Re: Auston Matthews
« Reply #654 on: October 20, 2017, 06:45:41 AM »
I also won't say yet that he's better than Sundin or Gilmour, but if I'm on a train to Montreal and I just passed Kingston, I'm going to assume I'm getting to Montreal. I fully expect to believe he's the best Leaf in my life time at some point in the relatively near future.

I have no doubt he'll get there barring some major issue like injury.  The kid's skills are unique and amazing to watch game in game out.

Put me down for this.

He's not yet better than Sundin at his best, but that's a less relevant point of comparison than Sundin, age 19-20. I'm too young to remember that.


Sundin, at age 21, had a 30 game point streak.  Finished with 114 points that year.  However that was with the Nordiques.

114 points put him at 11th in scoring, in a year when 21(!) players hit the century mark.  It's not hard to envision Matthews in the top 10 scorers this year.   

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Re: Auston Matthews
« Reply #655 on: October 20, 2017, 09:04:26 AM »
Sundin, at age 21, had a 30 game point streak.  Finished with 114 points that year.  However that was with the Nordiques.

The most remarkable thing about that point streak is that he is one of only three players all time to have a streak that hit 30+ games.  We can guess who the other two are.  Pretty heady company.

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Re: Auston Matthews
« Reply #656 on: October 20, 2017, 09:16:35 AM »
Sundin, at age 21, had a 30 game point streak.  Finished with 114 points that year.  However that was with the Nordiques.

The most remarkable thing about that point streak is that he is one of only three players all time to have a streak that hit 30+ games.  We can guess who the other two are.  Pretty heady company.

Seven games translate over a full year but he is on pace for 117 points right now

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« Reply #657 on: October 20, 2017, 12:22:14 PM »
https://www.si.com/nhl/2017/10/19/auston-matthews-shot-stealth-maple-leafs

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Carrick is thinking about what makes Matthews special. Grab a stall. Deep breath. This might take a few minutes. He has a really strong sense of his skill level, Carrick says. I think hes just able to work at a little bit higher pace in those tighter situations. Some guys see traffic as something to avoid, something to slow down for. You almost see him look at numbers at the line and hit the gas, attack the line and bull-rush it.

The blend in his shot is really special, his ability to change angles and be deceptive and land in one piece and let that puck go is really high-end. Then I think the fact that when hes stick-handling in-zone, all 360 degrees around him are in play. Hell use whatever hes got. Hell use the back of the wall, hell use his feet, hell put it in areas and block a guys stick. Hes very talented that way, and hes able to use his range all around him. And then when you have his size, its hard to reach around and try to poke that puck free.

Carrick is a really, really good quote.

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Re: Auston Matthews
« Reply #658 on: October 20, 2017, 01:04:46 PM »
Sundin, at age 21, had a 30 game point streak.  Finished with 114 points that year.  However that was with the Nordiques.

The most remarkable thing about that point streak is that he is one of only three players all time to have a streak that hit 30+ games.  We can guess who the other two are.  Pretty heady company.

Seven games translate over a full year but he is on pace for 117 points right now

Which if Matthews gets there in his second season, well that will be amazing.  The last couple of seasons there has been an average of one player getting to a hundred points, and barely beyond that.  If Matthews was to get to 117, well that's when I'd start to consider putting him in the conversation with McDavid, Crosby and Karlsson.
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Re: Auston Matthews
« Reply #659 on: October 20, 2017, 02:32:27 PM »
You have to look at them relative to the rest of the league though. In Sundin's rookie year he wasn't in the top 50 of NHL scorers and didn't win rookie of the year. Matthews was 20th overall in scoring in his rookie season.

I don't think you can just look at it in that way though. Matthews also joined a team that seemed built to shelter the rookies, with a couple good scoring lines and with veterans in key places. Sundin joined one of the all-time worst teams in history.

The Nordiques had 31 points the year before Sundin joined. That's not a typo.
It's always difficult to compare, but if Matthews has a career where he's up for awards like the Hart, Rocket Richard, Conn Smythe(please please please) it would be hard to say that Sundin was a better player. Guys that are up for awards are considered to be the  top 1-3 players in the entire league.   From what I remember, Sundin was never in that conversation. All that being said, it's a bit premature to compare now with Matthews only 89 games into his career.

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Re: Auston Matthews
« Reply #659 on: October 20, 2017, 02:32:27 PM »