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« Reply #420 on: March 30, 2018, 01:17:09 PM »

All of this Marner vs. Nylander stuff reminds me of how my parents used to fight like maniacs over who was their favourite child.

That story would be even more sad if you were an only child.

You'd think that but that would also mean I wouldn't have to deal with my siblings so...mixed bag.

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To you as well.  And to whatever anyone is celebrating out there, I hope you have a good time doing so. 
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« Reply #421 on: March 30, 2018, 02:19:40 PM »
I see on the tsn website they have a video of Dreger saying that Marner has established himself at a level above Nylander.  I can't get the video to work, but on the face of it I'd say that's very premature.  Marner's been fantastic lately, but I'd say Nylander's been the most consistent forward all year ... well, at least as consistent as Matthews.

What are you talking about? Mitch has two bad months but plays at 1.2ppg pace and Nylander is the better/more consistent player? Does not compute. In fact I think Mitch has taken a step defensively while Willie still needs to get tougher on backchecking.

Both great players but I don't see how, for at least half the season, Mitch hasn't been the better player.

Did you ever stop to consider that having 2 bad months and then a bunch of great play is, just maybe, a defensible definition of inconsistency?

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« Reply #422 on: March 30, 2018, 02:34:35 PM »

All of this Marner vs. Nylander stuff reminds me of how my parents used to fight like maniacs over who was their favourite child.

That story would be even more sad if you were an only child.

You'd think that but that would also mean I wouldn't have to deal with my siblings so...mixed bag.

Happy Passover everyone!

To you as well.  And to whatever anyone is celebrating out there, I hope you have a good time doing so.
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« Reply #423 on: March 30, 2018, 04:31:30 PM »

All of this Marner vs. Nylander stuff reminds me of how my parents used to fight like maniacs over who was their favourite child.

That story would be even more sad if you were an only child.

You'd think that but that would also mean I wouldn't have to deal with my siblings so...mixed bag.

Happy Passover everyone!

To you as well.  And to whatever anyone is celebrating out there, I hope you have a good time doing so.
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« Reply #424 on: March 30, 2018, 07:16:27 PM »
I see on the tsn website they have a video of Dreger saying that Marner has established himself at a level above Nylander.  I can't get the video to work, but on the face of it I'd say that's very premature.  Marner's been fantastic lately, but I'd say Nylander's been the most consistent forward all year ... well, at least as consistent as Matthews.

What are you talking about? Mitch has two bad months but plays at 1.2ppg pace and Nylander is the better/more consistent player? Does not compute. In fact I think Mitch has taken a step defensively while Willie still needs to get tougher on backchecking.

Both great players but I don't see how, for at least half the season, Mitch hasn't been the better player.

Did you ever stop to consider that having 2 bad months and then a bunch of great play is, just maybe, a defensible definition of inconsistency?
How does that make any sense? Like I said he started cold but for the bulk of the season he's been one of the Leafs' best players. I think he's been better than Nylander, and I think his "consistency" for the last 4 months speaks to that.

Anyway I've made my points, but you haven't made any as to why Nylander's been the better player this year. I don't think in any way is he as consistent as ppg Matthews when healthy.
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« Reply #425 on: March 30, 2018, 08:56:17 PM »
I see on the tsn website they have a video of Dreger saying that Marner has established himself at a level above Nylander.  I can't get the video to work, but on the face of it I'd say that's very premature.  Marner's been fantastic lately, but I'd say Nylander's been the most consistent forward all year ... well, at least as consistent as Matthews.

What are you talking about? Mitch has two bad months but plays at 1.2ppg pace and Nylander is the better/more consistent player? Does not compute. In fact I think Mitch has taken a step defensively while Willie still needs to get tougher on backchecking.

Both great players but I don't see how, for at least half the season, Mitch hasn't been the better player.

Did you ever stop to consider that having 2 bad months and then a bunch of great play is, just maybe, a defensible definition of inconsistency?
How does that make any sense? Like I said he started cold but for the bulk of the season he's been one of the Leafs' best players. I think he's been better than Nylander, and I think his "consistency" for the last 4 months speaks to that.

Anyway I've made my points, but you haven't made any as to why Nylander's been the better player this year. I don't think in any way is he as consistent as ppg Matthews when healthy.

I said Nylander's been at least as consistent as Matthews, not better.

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« Reply #426 on: March 31, 2018, 12:51:37 PM »
I see on the tsn website they have a video of Dreger saying that Marner has established himself at a level above Nylander.  I can't get the video to work, but on the face of it I'd say that's very premature.  Marner's been fantastic lately, but I'd say Nylander's been the most consistent forward all year ... well, at least as consistent as Matthews.

What are you talking about? Mitch has two bad months but plays at 1.2ppg pace and Nylander is the better/more consistent player? Does not compute. In fact I think Mitch has taken a step defensively while Willie still needs to get tougher on backchecking.

Both great players but I don't see how, for at least half the season, Mitch hasn't been the better player.

Did you ever stop to consider that having 2 bad months and then a bunch of great play is, just maybe, a defensible definition of inconsistency?
How does that make any sense? Like I said he started cold but for the bulk of the season he's been one of the Leafs' best players. I think he's been better than Nylander, and I think his "consistency" for the last 4 months speaks to that.

Anyway I've made my points, but you haven't made any as to why Nylander's been the better player this year. I don't think in any way is he as consistent as ppg Matthews when healthy.

I said Nylander's been at least as consistent as Matthews, not better.
I'm still waiting for your points as to how he's been as consistent as Matthews and/or more consistent than Marner.
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« Reply #427 on: March 31, 2018, 01:47:43 PM »
Just for clarity he has 6 points in 12 games in January compared to 18 and 16 for next 2 months. That leaves 2 months with 6 points each, 1 month with 10, 13, 16, and 18.  I don't those results fits the definition of consistent. 
I see on the tsn website they have a video of Dreger saying that Marner has established himself at a level above Nylander.  I can't get the video to work, but on the face of it I'd say that's very premature.  Marner's been fantastic lately, but I'd say Nylander's been the most consistent forward all year ... well, at least as consistent as Matthews.

What are you talking about? Mitch has two bad months but plays at 1.2ppg pace and Nylander is the better/more consistent player? Does not compute. In fact I think Mitch has taken a step defensively while Willie still needs to get tougher on backchecking.

Both great players but I don't see how, for at least half the season, Mitch hasn't been the better player.

Did you ever stop to consider that having 2 bad months and then a bunch of great play is, just maybe, a defensible definition of inconsistency?
How does that make any sense? Like I said he started cold but for the bulk of the season he's been one of the Leafs' best players. I think he's been better than Nylander, and I think his "consistency" for the last 4 months speaks to that.

Anyway I've made my points, but you haven't made any as to why Nylander's been the better player this year. I don't think in any way is he as consistent as ppg Matthews when healthy.

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« Reply #428 on: March 31, 2018, 02:00:59 PM »
I see on the tsn website they have a video of Dreger saying that Marner has established himself at a level above Nylander.  I can't get the video to work, but on the face of it I'd say that's very premature.  Marner's been fantastic lately, but I'd say Nylander's been the most consistent forward all year ... well, at least as consistent as Matthews.

What are you talking about? Mitch has two bad months but plays at 1.2ppg pace and Nylander is the better/more consistent player? Does not compute. In fact I think Mitch has taken a step defensively while Willie still needs to get tougher on backchecking.

Both great players but I don't see how, for at least half the season, Mitch hasn't been the better player.

Did you ever stop to consider that having 2 bad months and then a bunch of great play is, just maybe, a defensible definition of inconsistency?
How does that make any sense? Like I said he started cold but for the bulk of the season he's been one of the Leafs' best players. I think he's been better than Nylander, and I think his "consistency" for the last 4 months speaks to that.

Anyway I've made my points, but you haven't made any as to why Nylander's been the better player this year. I don't think in any way is he as consistent as ppg Matthews when healthy.

I said Nylander's been at least as consistent as Matthews, not better.
I'm still waiting for your points as to how he's been as consistent as Matthews and/or more consistent than Marner.

Regarding Matthews, it's just my opinion from having watched nearly all the games this year.  I see him, night in and night out, driving the offense as much as Matthews.  Defensively, I see him backchecking and stealing pucks at the same level.  Matthews is being touted as a future Selke winner, and maybe he will be, but I think he makes as many mistakes on D as Nylander (though Babcock never calls him out on it).

If you want to gather stats to refute my opinion, have at it.

Regarding Marner, what is it that you don't get about the concept of consistency?  Or is having 2 bad months followed by a blue streak of scoring your definition of the concept?

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« Reply #429 on: March 31, 2018, 02:28:55 PM »
Nylander has not gone more than 3 games this whole season without a point. He had 5 stretches of 0 pts in 3 games, but the last one was mid-January. There was one stretch of 1 pt in 7 games in December when the whole team was looking like garbage on the road.

Most of Nylander's production has come at 5v5 too, so it's not like his points totals are being fueled by the league's top power play of multiple 30 goal scorers. He has already matched last season's EV goal total (13) and gotten 50% more on EV assists. It's really only the PP points that are lagging, and some of that has to do with not even getting an opportunity because Marner --> Kadri/JvR = PP Goal.

Marner struggled from the start of the season to about mid-December, but has been making up for it (and then some) since mid-January (moving to Kadri's line). In the first 29 games of the season, he had a 4-game, a 5-game, and a 7-game pointless streak. He had a blip of hotness in mid-December (roasting Carolina and Arizona), and then went cold for 3 pts in 11 games. Then Mitch's magic came back: from game 50 and on, he has not gone more than 2 games without at least a point. He's rolling an 11-game point streak right now (5 G, 11A).

And take this for whatever it's worth: Nylander has largely lined up with rookies/sophmores (albeit one of them is often Matthews); Marner has almost always lined up with prime veterans.
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« Reply #430 on: March 31, 2018, 05:44:37 PM »
Nylander has not gone more than 3 games this whole season without a point. He had 5 stretches of 0 pts in 3 games, but the last one was mid-January. There was one stretch of 1 pt in 7 games in December when the whole team was looking like garbage on the road.

This was the case last season too, Nylander never went more than 3-games without a point then either. And last season that only happened on two occasions. As far as point production goes he's incredibly consistent.
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« Reply #431 on: March 31, 2018, 06:16:32 PM »
Nylander has not gone more than 3 games this whole season without a point. He had 5 stretches of 0 pts in 3 games, but the last one was mid-January. There was one stretch of 1 pt in 7 games in December when the whole team was looking like garbage on the road.

This was the case last season too, Nylander never went more than 3-games without a point then either. And last season that only happened on two occasions. As far as point production goes he's incredibly consistent.

And his opposing winger is almost always Zachary Martin Hyman. And as much a Hyman booster as I am now, I will freely admit that is basically one less point getting option on the ice for Willy to produce off of. Also -20 games of Matthews, so it's not just because he's passing to generational talent.

In the games Matthews missed, Nylander produced:
Games 17-19: 1A
Games 31-36: 1G 2A
Games 64-73: 1G, 5A

It's not stellar, but he had Hyman and Brown for a couple of games; centred by Marleau with Hyman early on. The latest bump was from centring Marner and Hyman, or Johnsson and Hyman.

I also just discovered that hockey-reference does table sums when you pick the bounding rows, so prepare yourselves for too much data posts. Yes I had been manually counting in my head up until now *sobs*
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