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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #75 on: June 07, 2017, 08:19:43 AM »
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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #76 on: June 07, 2017, 04:28:53 PM »
https://theleafsnation.com/2017/06/07/nation-network-prospect-profile-23-erik-brannstrom/

Awww yeah. If we skip on him, it had better be for Liljegren +. He's not falling to us in Rd. 2 with Nashville there.

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« Reply #77 on: June 07, 2017, 11:39:10 PM »
https://theleafsnation.com/2017/06/07/nation-network-prospect-profile-23-erik-brannstrom/

Awww yeah. If we skip on him, it had better be for Liljegren +. He's not falling to us in Rd. 2 with Nashville there.

Carlton is flogging him like there's no tomorrow yet Button has him 45th.  Who's got more credibility: Carlton, a respected and mostly sober longtime poster, or Button, a dazzling TV pundit?

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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #78 on: June 08, 2017, 08:55:26 AM »
Carlton is flogging him like there's no tomorrow yet Button has him 45th.  Who's got more credibility: Carlton, a respected and mostly sober longtime poster, or Button, a dazzling TV pundit?

Button had him 45th in his March rankings. His final rankings though, which came out just yesterday, saw him jump all the way up to 19th. Why the meteoric rise all of a sudden? Well, a certain "respected and mostly sober longtime poster" DID discover him between those two rankings.

Also kind of funny: Brannstrom wasn't even in Button's top-105 rankings at all in January, or in his top-75 rankings in November. While at the same time Marek's rankings over at Sportsnet had him as a 1st round pick every month since their first rankings in October. I don't think it's completely outrageous to suggest Button simply just didn't know who Brannstrom was.

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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #79 on: June 08, 2017, 09:17:51 AM »
Brannstrom was on my radar back in December as I was trawling through Eliteprospects, but he was more a secondary option as I was scoping mainly for the rarer RHDs that would be middle 1st or 2nds.

Production of his level (not just points, but shot generation) is crazy good, especially when you take into account that he plays with a size disadvantage 100% of the time, and he's on the backend.

I think he got a bit more attention with Liljegren succumbing to a crippling bout of mono. Seems like every year there is a mono-dropper in the first round.

https://theleafsnation.com/2017/06/07/using-adjusted-ppg-to-evaluate-the-2017-nhl-draft-class/

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This is a new league adjustment model (similar to NHLe) that accounts for age as well. Points aren't the end-all-and-be-all but you don't get points at these rates unless you're doing something right.

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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #80 on: June 08, 2017, 12:54:42 PM »
Mono-dropper. 

Mono mono, get the mono mono, get the mono mono...

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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #81 on: June 09, 2017, 12:59:19 PM »
Carlton is flogging him like there's no tomorrow yet Button has him 45th.  Who's got more credibility: Carlton, a respected and mostly sober longtime poster, or Button, a dazzling TV pundit?

Button had him 45th in his March rankings. His final rankings though, which came out just yesterday, saw him jump all the way up to 19th. Why the meteoric rise all of a sudden? Well, a certain "respected and mostly sober longtime poster" DID discover him between those two rankings.

Also kind of funny: Brannstrom wasn't even in Button's top-105 rankings at all in January, or in his top-75 rankings in November. While at the same time Marek's rankings over at Sportsnet had him as a 1st round pick every month since their first rankings in October. I don't think it's completely outrageous to suggest Button simply just didn't know who Brannstrom was.

There are several people on here who are more qualified to be dazzling TV pundits than the existing dazzling TV pundits.

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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #82 on: June 09, 2017, 04:32:07 PM »
Carlton is flogging him like there's no tomorrow yet Button has him 45th.  Who's got more credibility: Carlton, a respected and mostly sober longtime poster, or Button, a dazzling TV pundit?

Button had him 45th in his March rankings. His final rankings though, which came out just yesterday, saw him jump all the way up to 19th. Why the meteoric rise all of a sudden? Well, a certain "respected and mostly sober longtime poster" DID discover him between those two rankings.

Also kind of funny: Brannstrom wasn't even in Button's top-105 rankings at all in January, or in his top-75 rankings in November. While at the same time Marek's rankings over at Sportsnet had him as a 1st round pick every month since their first rankings in October. I don't think it's completely outrageous to suggest Button simply just didn't know who Brannstrom was.

There are several people on here who are more qualified to be dazzling TV pundits than the existing dazzling TV pundits.

Meteoric rise in mock drafts after the vast majority of on-ice performance is done is a pretty solid example of bad analysis. 

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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #83 on: June 09, 2017, 04:51:33 PM »
There are several people on here who are more qualified to be dazzling TV pundits than the existing dazzling TV pundits.

Problem is the networks tend to be looking for people who don't say "who the hell cares" when asked about where Kris Russell signs.
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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #84 on: June 09, 2017, 06:15:36 PM »
There are several people on here who are more qualified to be dazzling TV pundits than the existing dazzling TV pundits.

Problem is the networks tend to be looking for people who don't say "who the hell cares" when asked about where Kris Russell signs.

Yeah but that will be balanced out by the ratings draw of your segment "Nikpicking the facts"

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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #85 on: June 12, 2017, 12:50:18 PM »
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-might-waive-no-move-clause-ahead-expansion-draft/

Friedman kicks off this week's 30 Thoughts with a story about Thommie Bergman, and it is draft themed overall.

Thommie's son Lucas followed his father's footsteps and currently scouts for the Predators. He was instrumental in their drafting of Arvidsson, Ekholm, and Hornqvist.
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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #86 on: June 14, 2017, 08:38:36 PM »
So who wants to make a prediction on our draft picks? Just get in Marks head and shoot away!
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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #87 on: June 14, 2017, 10:06:41 PM »
Thoughts on Nicolas Hague?  He seems to have offense, defense, size and a physical demeanor. 
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017/NHL-Draft-Profiles/Nicolas-Hague
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« Reply #88 on: June 15, 2017, 08:14:36 AM »
The Leafs have plenty of forwards in the mix, seems Hague has the size and the tools to be a good one and may be available for us.
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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #89 on: June 15, 2017, 08:40:34 AM »
Thoughts on Nicolas Hague?  He seems to have offense, defense, size and a physical demeanor. 
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017/NHL-Draft-Profiles/Nicolas-Hague

This is a weird complaint about him, but the fact that he for some reason isn't basically a lock for a top-5 pick scares me about him. Like you said, he's basically the complete package. Like, this is Pronman's write up for him:

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There's a lot to like about Hague's toolkit. He's very tall, skates well, can move the puck and uses his big frame to his advantage. Digging into the details of those attributes, his skill level isn't incredibly high, but he's more than competent on the power play in terms of his playmaking, and he has a decent shot too. Hague was a shot-generating machine this season, in part due to how well he creates space with his speed, which is great for such a large player. His shot in itself is a great weapon, and he can generate goals and second chances. He's a rock defensively, arguably as good if not better than his offensive game. Hague closes his gaps well, wins battles and is often creating turnovers to get his team back up the ice quickly.

I know all scouting reports are usually written pretty optimistically, but that sure does SOUND like everything you want from a top pairing defenceman. Size. Speed. Big shot. Generates shots. Rock defensively. That sounds like somebody you would see ranked top-10, especially with his size advantage. But Pronman has him ranked 35th! Most rankings have him in the 20s somewhere. I just don't really get what's holding him back in the rankings so much from what the services have all written about him. It's weird.

I mean Logan Stanley went 18th last year and Hague had 2.5x more points than he did in their respective draft years and Stanley seemed to have a lot more red flags.
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Re: 2017 Draft Watch
« Reply #89 on: June 15, 2017, 08:40:34 AM »