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Re: Maple Leafs 2016 Draft Recap
« Reply #120 on: July 15, 2016, 02:25:33 PM »
I can't imagine that's true. I doubt Vesey expects to hit all the max bonuses.

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« Reply #121 on: July 15, 2016, 02:29:25 PM »
I can't imagine that's true. I doubt Vesey expects to hit all the max bonuses.

I'd say it's less about expectations and more about what other teams will be offering him. Unless he's dead-set on being a Leaf, the team's offer will have to the same value as what teams like the Bruins, Sabres, and Co. will be offering.
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« Reply #122 on: July 15, 2016, 02:29:34 PM »
Vesey isn't that big a deal.

He also clearly doesn't care as much about the money as he does where he plays and who he plays for; otherwise he would've taken the extra burned ELC year with Nashville.

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« Reply #123 on: July 15, 2016, 02:33:57 PM »
Vesey isn't that big a deal.

He also clearly doesn't care as much about the money as he does where he plays and who he plays for; otherwise he would've taken the extra burned ELC year with Nashville.

I think the ELC burn year is a consideration for sure, also the location. I still think he's heading to Boston but that's purely speculation.
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« Reply #124 on: July 15, 2016, 02:34:38 PM »
Vesey isn't that big a deal.

He also clearly doesn't care as much about the money as he does where he plays and who he plays for; otherwise he would've taken the extra burned ELC year with Nashville.

Unless he just didn't want to play for Nashville.

If the Leafs are going to be competitive for talent they can't expect everyone to come here because they're in love with tradition.
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« Reply #125 on: July 15, 2016, 02:41:06 PM »
Unless he just didn't want to play for Nashville.

If the Leafs are going to be competitive for talent they can't expect everyone to come here because they're in love with tradition.

Judging by the fit Poile threw, I wouldn't be surprised.

I don't expect Vesey to come here, nor would I build any rosters around his name until he says otherwise.

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Re: Maple Leafs 2016 Draft Recap
« Reply #126 on: July 15, 2016, 02:43:42 PM »
I can't imagine that's true. I doubt Vesey expects to hit all the max bonuses.

Justin Schultz and Kevin Hayes both received max bonuses when they were in the same spot Vesey is. Defenceman Mike Reilly got a little less than half last year but I don't think he was as chased after. It's very likely that he gets the max or at least close to it.

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« Reply #127 on: July 15, 2016, 02:44:14 PM »
Judging by the fit Poile threw, I wouldn't be surprised.

I don't expect Vesey to come here, nor would I build any rosters around his name until he says otherwise.

Like you, I'm not all that fussed about Vesey. I was more speaking generally.
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« Reply #128 on: July 15, 2016, 06:47:04 PM »
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« Reply #129 on: July 15, 2016, 06:57:15 PM »
I'm just wondering, but is burning the ELC actually more money for these guys?  I mean if he comes in and lights the world on fire sure, it does, but if he has a rough year this year (on a 1-year deal)  he could potentially make only 1.0-1.5M next year guaranteed.  While that might be more money, a max bonus prospect can make like 3.5M.

Is Casey Bailey thrilled with the 2-way contract he signed with Ottawa this year that pays him 40K less than he made on his 2-year entry level deal with the Leafs?

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Re: Maple Leafs 2016 Draft Recap
« Reply #130 on: July 15, 2016, 07:00:48 PM »
I'm just wondering, but is burning the ELC actually more money for these guys?  I mean if he comes in and lights the world on fire sure, it does, but if he has a rough year this year (on a 1-year deal)  he could potentially make only 1.0-1.5M next year guaranteed.  While that might be more money, a max bonus prospect can make like 3.5M.

Is Casey Bailey thrilled with the 2-way contract he signed with Ottawa this year that pays him 40K less than he made on his 2-year entry level deal with the Leafs?

These guys tend to be pretty confident so I'd guess most of them don't really weight the downsides like that.

That said, I've talked about it potentially being beneficial to burn ELC deals a little quicker so I think it very well might be the case.
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« Reply #131 on: July 15, 2016, 07:27:03 PM »
I can't imagine that's true. I doubt Vesey expects to hit all the max bonuses.

I'd say it's less about expectations and more about what other teams will be offering him. Unless he's dead-set on being a Leaf, the team's offer will have to the same value as what teams like the Bruins, Sabres, and Co. will be offering.

Exactly. As long as he's offered those max potential with the Leafs, the dollars will be all even so then it comes down to preference on where he wants to play, opportunities etc.

BUT - as I said it appears Lou won't play ball. Ironic that the Leafs are haggling over money especially when they
can manage cap-wise to accommodate this.
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« Reply #132 on: July 15, 2016, 07:35:04 PM »
Did Bailey have any bonus structure in his contract?
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« Reply #133 on: July 15, 2016, 07:37:51 PM »
Unless he just didn't want to play for Nashville.

If the Leafs are going to be competitive for talent they can't expect everyone to come here because they're in love with tradition.

Judging by the fit Poile threw, I wouldn't be surprised.

I don't expect Vesey to come here, nor would I build any rosters around his name until he says otherwise.

Not only that but like you said, Vesey is not that big a deal overall. Would I be ok with him being signed, yes, do I care if he doesn't, not really.
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Re: Maple Leafs 2016 Draft Recap
« Reply #134 on: July 20, 2016, 09:30:12 AM »
Did Bailey have any bonus structure in his contract?

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/casey-bailey
Looks like he got a small something in his first year.

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Re: Maple Leafs 2016 Draft Recap
« Reply #134 on: July 20, 2016, 09:30:12 AM »