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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2017, 10:40:13 AM »

I mean to some extent there's just a simple logical progression here. One of these three things has to be true:

1. Joffrey Lupul is so badly injured that not only did he fail his physical but he really had no chance of passing his physical. This despite no real word on what his injury is short of a hernia surgery and it not really seeming to negatively affect his life at all(compared to, say, Nathan Horton who has trouble getting around and picking up his kids)

2. There was a chance of Lupul passing his physical but the Leafs, throwing caution to the wind, spent to the cap anyway and figured they'd just improvise something if Lupul passed his physical.

3. Lupul is effectively telling the truth.

Sometimes, sometimes, you can Occam's Razor it.
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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2017, 10:44:03 AM »
Also, if Lupul REALLY wanted to play hockey in the NHL and wanted a fresh start, he could easily agree to mutually terminate his contract and go look for an opportunity elsewhere.

This. I'd totally root for him if his true desire was to play again. Anything else strikes me as disingenuous. Either do this or happily take the money not to play. And of course the Leafs are doing their do diligence to squeeze every available penny out of the system. The salary-cap is a failure in many ways.
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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2017, 10:55:27 AM »
Obviously we don't have all the information, but I have to think the PA would be all over this situation simply because it would set a precedent moving forward on players in similar circumstances.

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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2017, 10:59:33 AM »

I mean to some extent there's just a simple logical progression here. One of these three things has to be true:

1. Joffrey Lupul is so badly injured that not only did he fail his physical but he really had no chance of passing his physical. This despite no real word on what his injury is short of a hernia surgery and it not really seeming to negatively affect his life at all(compared to, say, Nathan Horton who has trouble getting around and picking up his kids)

2. There was a chance of Lupul passing his physical but the Leafs, throwing caution to the wind, spent to the cap anyway and figured they'd just improvise something if Lupul passed his physical.

3. Lupul is effectively telling the truth.

Sometimes, sometimes, you can Occam's Razor it.

There's an option you're missing.

4.  Lupul is physically able to play but agreed to sit out and collect his money.  Unless he took all year to recover from the summer of 2016 where they first said he wasn't able to play, it seems fishy that he's suddenly fit.  He was probably annoyed with people saying he's fragile and made a comment on instagram that he now regrets.  If he stands by it, why did he delete his comment?

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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2017, 11:03:32 AM »
I thought it was interesting that Lupul said that the Leafs cheat, and everyone let's them, and then Kadri liked his comment. Well done, Naz.
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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2017, 11:04:25 AM »
I thought it was interesting that Lupul said that the Leafs cheat, and everyone let's them, and then Kadri liked his comment. Well done, Naz.

Naz liked the picture, the comments were Lupul replying to a fan after he posted.

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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2017, 11:05:57 AM »
Obviously we don't have all the information, but I have to think the PA would be all over this situation simply because it would set a precedent moving forward on players in similar circumstances.

I would agree, but surely they are somewhat aware of this situation and would have either taken action last year, or already be prepared to do it this year. I don't think Lupul's comments add much to the situation other than flaring up the media.

If he's healthy, then he would either be shocked he failed, and presumably run to the NHLPA, or there's some agreement between him and the Leafs. Perhaps he's changing his mind on that agreement, but it's more likely he didn't realize his Instrgram comment would go viral and is back peddling now. When the NHLPA comes knocking I'm sure his hernia will have returned adequately. That's assuming something underhanded is ever happening in the first place, which I'm not sold on.

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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2017, 11:07:39 AM »
I thought it was interesting that Lupul said that the Leafs cheat, and everyone let's them, and then Kadri liked his comment. Well done, Naz.

Naz liked the picture, the comments were Lupul replying to a fan after he posted.

Ahhh... that's a little different than the way they spun it on FAN 590 this morning.
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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2017, 11:08:16 AM »
There's an option you're missing.

4.  Lupul is physically able to play but agreed to sit out and collect his money.

That's not materially different than just saying he's telling the truth. He didn't say what was happening to him was against his will, again he hasn't filed a grievance, just that the "physical" he failed was a farce and he was capable of coming back if they wanted him to.
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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2017, 11:11:14 AM »
One last thing to note:

Leafs haven't placed Lupul on LTIR.  Only Horton.  Lupul was on regular IR last year as they never exceeded the cap by more than Horton's salary.  So, really they aren't skirting the cap, just a roster spot- which the could solve by demoting him (of course, can't demote someone who's injured :P)

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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2017, 11:16:01 AM »
There's an option you're missing.

4.  Lupul is physically able to play but agreed to sit out and collect his money.

That's not materially different than just saying he's telling the truth. He didn't say what was happening to him was against his will, again he hasn't filed a grievance, just that the "physical" he failed was a farce and he was capable of coming back if they wanted him to.

Agreed, and we can make an educated guess that Lupul has agreed to the situation that he's in, otherwise he could have filed a grievance as you mentioned.  If, and it's a big IF that he's in agreement with sitting out, it's a bit disingenuous of him to now take this public and blame the Leafs in something he's complicit in.   I just find it amusing that he made the comment and then deleted it. 

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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2017, 11:18:03 AM »
One last thing to note:

Leafs haven't placed Lupul on LTIR.  Only Horton.  Lupul was on regular IR last year as they never exceeded the cap by more than Horton's salary.  So, really they aren't skirting the cap, just a roster spot- which the could solve by demoting him (of course, can't demote someone who's injured :P)

What would happen if the Leafs allowed him to come back, assigned him to the Orlando Solar Bears of the ECHL and he refused to report?  Could they terminate his contract?

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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2017, 11:18:08 AM »
Speaking of "injured" players and the Leafs, this didn't really get picked up on much but Jared Cowen spoke out about what happened to him the other day. Safe to say he wasn't very pleased about how that situation turned out:

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“I wish teams would have more of an interest in taking better care of their players instead of whatever their goal or mindset was there,” Cowen, at Colorado Avalanche training camp on a professional tryout, said Friday.

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“Basically, they got me, figured out that I was hurt, they didn’t want to deal with it and they got rid of me,” Cowen said.

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“It was a joke of a process,” Cowen said. “But, it’s in the past. It was a stressful time in my life, in terms of getting traded, getting bought out, getting waived, finding out I needed surgeries.”

http://bsndenver.com/jared-cowen-after-bitter-departure-from-maple-leafs-hoping-for-new-life-with-avalanche/

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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2017, 11:20:12 AM »
Speaking of "injured" players and the Leafs, this didn't really get picked up on much but Jared Cowen spoke out about what happened to him the other day. Safe to say he wasn't very pleased about how that situation turned out:

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“I wish teams would have more of an interest in taking better care of their players instead of whatever their goal or mindset was there,” Cowen, at Colorado Avalanche training camp on a professional tryout, said Friday.

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“Basically, they got me, figured out that I was hurt, they didn’t want to deal with it and they got rid of me,” Cowen said.

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“It was a joke of a process,” Cowen said. “But, it’s in the past. It was a stressful time in my life, in terms of getting traded, getting bought out, getting waived, finding out I needed surgeries.”

http://bsndenver.com/jared-cowen-after-bitter-departure-from-maple-leafs-hoping-for-new-life-with-avalanche/

It's funny, the Cowen situation is basically the reverse of Lupul.  Leafs said Cowen was healthy and bought him out, Cowen insisted he wasn't healthy. 

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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2017, 11:23:08 AM »
One last thing to note:

Leafs haven't placed Lupul on LTIR.  Only Horton.  Lupul was on regular IR last year as they never exceeded the cap by more than Horton's salary.  So, really they aren't skirting the cap, just a roster spot- which the could solve by demoting him (of course, can't demote someone who's injured :P)

What would happen if the Leafs allowed him to come back, assigned him to the Orlando Solar Bears of the ECHL and he refused to report?  Could they terminate his contract?

I don't think so.  I believe they can suspend him without pay.  Doesn't benefit him to do that.  Although last year, they had assigned a few guys to the Marlies (Laich, Michalek) that weren't really on the roster for long.  Never suspended them, but basically said you don't have to show up anymore and you'll still get paid.  I think in both cases they played for a little bit then figured they weren't going to get called up and finally threw in the towel. 

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Re: The Lupul Situation
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2017, 11:23:08 AM »