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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #600 on: January 15, 2018, 10:10:08 PM »
Granderson will be turning 37, but at this point he is better than Bautista and if nothing else he is a lefty bat which the Jays needed.
Jays also need bats at the top of the order and Granderson hit lead-off for the Mets in 30 games last year.
It's a 1 year deal so I wouldn't get too bent out of shape over it.
I still think the Jays add another OF before the season starts.

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« Reply #601 on: January 16, 2018, 02:31:22 AM »
The Granderson signing is pending a physical.

Granderson will platoon in RF and with Steve Pearce in LF & Pillar in CF, it does make for a reasonable trio of arms & legs.  However, according to MLB sources, the Jays were interested in Lorenzo Cain prior to the Granderson signing.
Their interest in Cain is not completely out of the woods yet.

Pearce/Pillar/Granderson + Cain. 

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« Reply #602 on: January 16, 2018, 02:48:42 AM »
Granderson will be turning 37, but at this point he is better than Bautista and if nothing else he is a lefty bat which the Jays needed.
Jays also need bats at the top of the order and Granderson hit lead-off for the Mets in 30 games last year.
It's a 1 year deal so I wouldn't get too bent out of shape over it.
I still think the Jays add another OF before the season starts.

I doubt it.   They have Pillar, Pearce, Carrera, Granderson, Hernandez, Pompey now as outfield candidates.  I think this was just cheap addition.

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #603 on: January 16, 2018, 08:41:35 AM »
Hope Rogers likes empty seats because that's what there going to get with complete unwillingness to do anything meaningful. Trade Donaldson and get on with it because I place the possibility of Jays signing him to near what he wants/deserves at 0%.

I guess I'm frustrated we are headed for a rebuild, Tulo sucks, Martin's to old, bullpen is awful, old vet signing don't excite me. I wish it was possible to reward the fans for their loyalty but realistically you probably can't with this group.

The starters/closer are stellar, you can't build around that?
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« Reply #604 on: January 16, 2018, 08:58:55 PM »
Hope Rogers likes empty seats because that's what there going to get with complete unwillingness to do anything meaningful. Trade Donaldson and get on with it because I place the possibility of Jays signing him to near what he wants/deserves at 0%.

I guess I'm frustrated we are headed for a rebuild, Tulo sucks, Martin's to old, bullpen is awful, old vet signing don't excite me. I wish it was possible to reward the fans for their loyalty but realistically you probably can't with this group.

The starters/closer are stellar, you can't build around that?

Realistically the Jays were always going to be bad next year. They don't have the prospect depth to make immediate impact trades and they don't have the cap flexibility to just sign FA's until they're in contention(think Tulo sucks if you want, the Jays still have to pay him).

I don't know what fans might have expected. When AA went all in and impatiently tried to win on the backs of guys like Tulo and Price did Fans think the team would be good forever? That trading away top prospects by the barrel had no future impact? Unless you said those moves had real downside at the time, and believe me some people did, then for fans to turn around and be upset when the bill is due doesn't really seem like loyalty worth rewarding.

Ultimately, the more I think about it the more I think a holding pattern might be the best move. They don't have the chips to push in but they also have guys like Stroman and Sanchez that they don't want to alienate by stripping the rest of the team for parts.
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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #605 on: January 17, 2018, 12:35:52 AM »
I was good with going all in to try to win when they did. I think it was worth it, even without the desired result. I'd be all for a rebuild at this point but I see the logic in not alienating their young pitchers.

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #606 on: January 19, 2018, 08:27:41 PM »
Granderson will be turning 37, but at this point he is better than Bautista and if nothing else he is a lefty bat which the Jays needed.
Jays also need bats at the top of the order and Granderson hit lead-off for the Mets in 30 games last year.
It's a 1 year deal so I wouldn't get too bent out of shape over it.
I still think the Jays add another OF before the season starts.

I will give you the left handed bat as well as the addition of another OF, which they just did in a trade with St. Louis for Grichuk, but otherwise I see no particular upgrade in having Granderson over Bautista, subject to the proviso that Jose would come back for $5M.

As for Grichuk, a batting average of .238 does not impress me.

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #607 on: January 19, 2018, 09:09:19 PM »
I will give you the left handed bat as well as the addition of another OF, which they just did in a trade with St. Louis for Grichuk, but otherwise I see no particular upgrade in having Granderson over Bautista, subject to the proviso that Jose would come back for $5M.

As for Grichuk, a batting average of .238 does not impress me.

So, you're just going to ignore that he's a significant defensive upgrade, and virtually every offensive metric had him as substantially more valuable than Bautista this past season?
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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #608 on: January 20, 2018, 04:22:16 PM »
So what do you guys think of the Randal Grichuk trade?  I like it personally.  Now the Jays actually have infield and outfield depth.  Now what they desperately need is a backup catcher, and then some more pitching help if they have any money left.  I'm impressed with what management has done with a very limited budget.  The Jays will definitely be more competitive this season, which is impressive because their competitive window has been closing hard lately.  They have a half decent shot at a wild card spot now.  Not too bad at all.  Things are looking like they will remain a decent team for years to come also.  I haven't been a big fan of Atkins and Shapiro but I'm coming around.  We'll see what else they can do before spring training starts.

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #609 on: January 27, 2018, 01:52:00 AM »
Someone trying to sound optimistic...



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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #610 on: January 27, 2018, 11:14:43 AM »
Are people seriously mad the Jays didn't pick up Yelich and/or Cain?

Yelich would cost Vlad Jr + 2-3 more top prospects. Cain is 32 when the season starts and signed 5 years @ 80 million.

Kinda no brainer non-deals, imo at least.

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #611 on: January 27, 2018, 12:21:27 PM »
Are people seriously mad the Jays didn't pick up Yelich and/or Cain?

Yelich would cost Vlad Jr + 2-3 more top prospects. Cain is 32 when the season starts and signed 5 years @ 80 million.

Kinda no brainer non-deals, imo at least.

I would have been fine with the 5 years for Cain.  37 isn't the end of the world if the assumption is you are legitimately trying to win today and tomorrow.  If the argument is to be not bad enough to win 50 games this year but not really try and win then sure, don't spend the money and have it sunk into the payroll for when Bo/Vlad/Alford come up.

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #612 on: January 27, 2018, 01:11:57 PM »
Are people seriously mad the Jays didn't pick up Yelich and/or Cain?

Yelich would cost Vlad Jr + 2-3 more top prospects. Cain is 32 when the season starts and signed 5 years @ 80 million.

Kinda no brainer non-deals, imo at least.

 In my experience as a Leafs fan when fans are generally frustrated with the team's inability or unwillingness to make big moves they'll react badly to any big move made by anyone else with out a lot of regard to the particular feasibility or wisdom of the moves.
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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #613 on: January 27, 2018, 01:51:22 PM »
Are people seriously mad the Jays didn't pick up Yelich and/or Cain?

Yelich would cost Vlad Jr + 2-3 more top prospects. Cain is 32 when the season starts and signed 5 years @ 80 million.

Kinda no brainer non-deals, imo at least.

 In my experience as a Leafs fan when fans are generally frustrated with the team's inability or unwillingness to make big moves they'll react badly to any big move made by anyone else with out a lot of regard to the particular feasibility or wisdom of the moves.

I think you can consider moving Bo Bichete as a potentially reasonable move simply because his swing is so ugly that there is potential for it to go awry.  I don't think there is a deal on the market that I would really want to move Vlad for at this point.  He has the range to hit like his Dad but he is somewhat patient at the plate.

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #614 on: February 15, 2018, 07:21:21 PM »

The Jays have apparently signed Jaime Garcia to round out the rotation. Coming off a couple of bad years but he's been an effective starter before and his career numbers are pretty good.
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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #614 on: February 15, 2018, 07:21:21 PM »