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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2016, 02:27:49 PM »
You really should watch some Western conference games.  OEL is top 10 in League and would be our best D man by a significant margin.
As a Leaf fan I would be more than happy to trade the number 1 pick and Gardiner for OEL and Strome.

Wow what are you smoking?  OEL is not twice as good as Gardiner and Strome will be good, he's not close to Matthews IMO.
Still not enough, why would you give Arizona anything but the #1 pick? They're the team that would desperately want it. The optics of the Leafs trading the #1 overall would be terrible after all the pain of the last 2 seasons. It would have to be a slam dunk deal for it to happen.

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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2016, 02:29:40 PM »
Alright Domi as well, does that work??
You really should watch some Western conference games.  OEL is top 10 in League and would be our best D man by a significant margin.
As a Leaf fan I would be more than happy to trade the number 1 pick and Gardiner for OEL and Strome.

Wow what are you smoking?  OEL is not twice as good as Gardiner and Strome will be good, he's not close to Matthews IMO.
Still not enough, why would you give Arizona anything but the #1 pick? They're the team that would desperately want it. The optics of the Leafs trading the #1 overall would be terrible after all the pain of the last 2 seasons. It would have to be a slam dunk deal for it to happen.

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2016, 02:32:25 PM »
I know you guys don't get to see him much but OEL is an absolute stud.

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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2016, 02:56:14 PM »
I know you guys don't get to see him much but OEL is an absolute stud.

I'm not arguing that OEL isn't good.  He's probably very good, but he's played in the obscurity of Arizona where his mistakes probably weren't even noticed except by maybe his coach.  If OEL sneezed the wrong way in Toronto, it would be headline news.  So just because he works out in AZ, doesn't mean he'd work out in Toronto.  You can say the same about Matthews but at this point I and probably the rest of Leafs Nation would rather take a chance at developing Matthews than bring in OEL and Strome. 

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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2016, 02:58:51 PM »
Prior to the lottery I said I'd entertain the idea of potentially trading the 1st overall pick assuming the return was ridiculous. Now that we have it though, you'd have to pry it out of my cold dead hands.

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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2016, 03:02:07 PM »
Prior to the lottery I said I'd entertain the idea of potentially trading the 1st overall pick assuming the return was ridiculous. Now that we have it though, you'd have to pry it out of my cold dead hands.
How often do we actually see the first overall pick actually traded? Not very often is the answer.  I can't see it happening.

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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2016, 03:32:42 PM »

How often do we actually see the first overall pick actually traded? Not very often is the answer.  I can't see it happening.

It happens, but it happens when there isn't a clear cut #1 and the team trading the pick moves down a spot or two. Not five. The Panthers traded out of the #1 spot because they would have taken Bouwmeester #1 but could trade down, get him, and pick something up.

Trading the pick and winding up at #7 just doesn't happen. Like busta said, the only way a team would do it is if the other team offered so much that it would be impossible for them to refuse. Not just "eh, this deal's not bad". I like OEL, I like Domi, I like Strome and I like the #4 pick but not all of them combined are enough to make me say "It's impossible to turn that down". At best that's something where the Leafs might come out ahead.   
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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2016, 04:32:43 PM »
Yeah. I contend that OEL is top 10 in the league.

 If Matthews was a few days older it has been suggested by many solid hockey people that he would have been selected 2nd or 3rd and Strome would have been 4th. So Strome is definitely below Matthews but it isn't the difference between a 1st line and 3rd line centre.

The mock draft looks like Matthews, Laine, Poolparty, Chychrn, Dubois, Tcachuk, Nylander so.....

My expectation is still at least 1st overall and Gardiner for 7th overall, OEL and Strome.
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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2016, 04:51:46 PM »

 If Matthews was a few days older it has been suggested by many solid hockey people that he would have been selected 2nd or 3rd and Strome would have been 4th. So Strome is definitely below Matthews but it isn't the difference between a 1st line and 3rd line centre. 

I think there's a couple problems there. For starters, everyone in the hockey world agreed there was a massive drop-off between 2 and 3 last year. Strome wasn't a consensus #3. If the draft last year had been McDavid/Eichel/Matthews then the Leafs, picking 4th, may very well have still preferred Marner and the Hurricanes still might have wanted to go with Hanifin. It's not the difference between a 1st line and third line center, it's the difference between someone who every one thinks will be a first line center and a guy who, much like Marner, is still very much a question mark at the next level. 
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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2016, 04:52:44 PM »
Apologies, I assumed I had included AZ's 7th overall pick?? My mistake not to have that in there.
Yeah. I contend that OEL is top 10 in the league.

 If Matthews was a few days older it has been suggested by many solid hockey people that he would have been selected 2nd or 3rd and Strome would have been 4th. So Strome is definitely below Matthews but it isn't the difference between a 1st line and 3rd line centre.

The mock draft looks like Matthews, Laine, Poolparty, Chychrn, Dubois, Tcachuk, Nylander so.....

My expectation is still at least 1st overall and Gardiner for 7th overall, OEL and Strome.

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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2016, 05:25:18 PM »
As a Leaf fan I would be more than happy to trade the number 1 pick and Gardiner for OEL and Strome.

I like OEL a lot, but that's not enough for me to move the pick alone, never mind including Gardiner - even if Arizona's pick as added.
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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2016, 05:49:15 PM »
Don't worry as AZ will not be making that offer.  I doubt they would offer OEL straight up as they have no D in their system to replace him and a couple of decent centers.
As a Leaf fan I would be more than happy to trade the number 1 pick and Gardiner for OEL and Strome.

I like OEL a lot, but that's not enough for me to move the pick alone, never mind including Gardiner - even if Arizona's pick as added.

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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2016, 06:45:36 PM »

I still don't get why so many people think the Coyotes, and their fans, would be so compelled by where someone was born. Like, how many of you who aren't big basketball fans would be buying Raptors tickets if Demar Derozan happened to be from Brampton?
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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2016, 06:52:00 PM »
I don't think the Coyotes or their fans are that enamoured that they would make a bad trade but just replied to the thread idea.  And I think the ticket sales aspect is greatly overstated for Matthews.

I still don't get why so many people think the Coyotes, and their fans, would be so compelled by where someone was born. Like, how many of you who aren't big basketball fans would be buying Raptors tickets if Demar Derozan happened to be from Brampton?

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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2016, 07:14:00 PM »
OEL is better than Shea Weber.

If OEL was on the Leafs, he'd be the best Leafs d-man in my lifetime and the best since Salming. He's easily top 5 in the league (I only have Doughty ahead of him).

Phoenix would be dumb to move him for Matthews and the Leafs would be dumb to trade the first pick for him. If the Leafs were to get OEL plus, I think you seriously consider it. Especially if Stamkos is headed this way.

This has everything to do with what the Leafs need, and the Leafs need a No. 1 D-man more than a No. 1 center at this point. (I believe Stamkos will come here).

Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Bozak, (very possibly Stamkos) Leafs have decent depth at center right now with no true No. 1 D prospects to speak of.

I don't think Matthews is as good as McDavid and if Eichel is a better comparison, I'd trade Eichel for OEL everyday of the week.

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Re: Phoenix Trade up to #1?
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2016, 07:14:00 PM »