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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2016, 11:18:53 AM »
Level off, sure. I just don't buy the suggestion that he's hit a wall because of games played.

We may be verging on getting into Semantics but I think you'd agree that the single biggest thing that separates a championship quality #1 goaltender and someone who isn't that isn't the ability to put up a .920 save percentage, it's to put up a .920 save percentage playing in 55+ games in a year.

I'm not going to say Reimer has "hit a wall" but I have no problem saying that I'll believe Reimer can do that over the course of a season by seeing him do it.
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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2016, 11:24:35 AM »
All of that's true but it's also pretty reasonable to have assumed that his play was going to level off at some point, especially as the season wore on.

Level off, sure. I just don't buy the suggestion that he's hit a wall because of games played.

These guys are well-conditioned athletes and likely never would have made it this far if they hit a wall at 35 games. My worry about him is related more to his injury history.  My heart wants to see him be this great goalie for the Leafs, but my gut questions whether he can stay healthy enough to play 60 or so games in a season. If he can't, he's probably not the best long-term fit.

If I were the GM, and you should thank the sweet baby Jesus that I'm not, I would trade him now while his value, and his numbers, are pretty good.

EDIT: Or what Nik said.
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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2016, 01:05:04 PM »
Perhaps if we get the Pylon back his save percentage would rise up again?? :o
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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2016, 08:23:49 PM »
Perhaps if we get the Pylon back his save percentage would rise up again?? :o

Whether not you liked Dion or not, he was the best defensemen we had this year.

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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2016, 08:33:17 PM »
Outside of Rielly and Gardiner I would agree. The funny thing is as bad as Phanuef looked like on TV, when I attended the Leaf games in Orlando and AZ, Phaneuf was hitting and hard and looked good.
I actually like the guy and wish him the best.
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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2016, 04:51:30 PM »
Outside of Rielly and Gardiner I would agree. The funny thing is as bad as Phanuef looked like on TV, when I attended the Leaf games in Orlando and AZ, Phaneuf was hitting and hard and looked good.
I actually like the guy and wish him the best.

I liked Phaneuf too.  I just really disliked his salary, big time.  Phaneuf at $5.0M would be about right in my mind.

As for the goalie issues, I'd trade Bernier for the best offer I could get.  For me, he's too small for an NHL goalie today.  He might have been a decent goalie 30 years ago, but now, with today's shooters, and, high tech hockey sticks, the pucks are blown by him with ease.  IMHO, you need a larger goalie that can cover more of the net and actually get a piece of the puck enough to deflect it away from the net.  So many pucks appear to go right through him for goals it seems.

If management is really tanking, they should trade Reimer too.  If not, they should retain him and try to sign him to an extension.
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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2016, 04:55:19 PM »
Outside of Rielly and Gardiner I would agree. The funny thing is as bad as Phanuef looked like on TV, when I attended the Leaf games in Orlando and AZ, Phaneuf was hitting and hard and looked good.
I actually like the guy and wish him the best.

I liked Phaneuf too.  I just really disliked his salary, big time.  Phaneuf at $5.0M would be about right in my mind.

As for the goalie issues, I'd trade Bernier for the best offer I could get.  For me, he's too small for an NHL goalie today.  He might have been a decent goalie 30 years ago, but now, with today's shooters, and, high tech hockey sticks, the pucks are blown by him with ease.  IMHO, you need a larger goalie that can cover more of the net and actually get a piece of the puck enough to deflect it away from the net.

I wonder if that's the case, though, if the NHL makes a move to smaller, tighter fitting goalie equipment. Some of these bigger guys may have trouble when they can't simply close all the holes. Pure speculation on my part, though.
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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2016, 04:58:56 PM »
As for the goalie issues, I'd trade Bernier for the best offer I could get.  For me, he's too small for an NHL goalie today.  He might have been a decent goalie 30 years ago, but now, with today's shooters, and, high tech hockey sticks, the pucks are blown by him with ease.  IMHO, you need a larger goalie that can cover more of the net and actually get a piece of the puck enough to deflect it away from the net.  So many pucks appear to go right through him for goals it seems.

You really think it's the inch of height that separates him from guys like Lundqvist and Quick that's the problem?
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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2016, 05:00:48 PM »
Outside of Rielly and Gardiner I would agree. The funny thing is as bad as Phanuef looked like on TV, when I attended the Leaf games in Orlando and AZ, Phaneuf was hitting and hard and looked good.
I actually like the guy and wish him the best.

I liked Phaneuf too.  I just really disliked his salary, big time.  Phaneuf at $5.0M would be about right in my mind.

As for the goalie issues, I'd trade Bernier for the best offer I could get.  For me, he's too small for an NHL goalie today.  He might have been a decent goalie 30 years ago, but now, with today's shooters, and, high tech hockey sticks, the pucks are blown by him with ease.  IMHO, you need a larger goalie that can cover more of the net and actually get a piece of the puck enough to deflect it away from the net.

I wonder if that's the case, though, if the NHL makes a move to smaller, tighter fitting goalie equipment. Some of these bigger guys may have trouble when they can't simply close all the holes. Pure speculation on my part, though.

IMHO, smaller, tighter fitting goalie equipment will make Bernier look even worse.  We'll see I guess.

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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2016, 05:04:11 PM »
As for the goalie issues, I'd trade Bernier for the best offer I could get.  For me, he's too small for an NHL goalie today.  He might have been a decent goalie 30 years ago, but now, with today's shooters, and, high tech hockey sticks, the pucks are blown by him with ease.  IMHO, you need a larger goalie that can cover more of the net and actually get a piece of the puck enough to deflect it away from the net.  So many pucks appear to go right through him for goals it seems.

You really think it's the inch of height that separates him from guys like Lundqvist and Quick that are the problem?

I think he's smaller in overall size than both of them. He's a bean pole in street clothes!

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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2016, 05:07:11 PM »
I think he's smaller in overall size than both of them. He's a bean pole in street clothes!

He's listed at 6'0, 185. Lundqvist is at 6'1, 188. I think there are probably other concerns.
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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2016, 05:14:17 PM »
I think he's smaller in overall size than both of them. He's a bean pole in street clothes!

He's listed at 6'0, 185. Lundqvist is at 6'1, 188. I think there are probably other concerns.

He may be listed at 6'0" and 185lbs, but, he sure doesn't look it IMHO.  Just a skinny guy in my mind.

As for the other concerns.  I think he suffers from concentration issues at times.
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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2016, 06:31:42 PM »
Lets get Benny out to the Jets! and keep Reimheed
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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2016, 08:31:50 PM »
It's probably nothing, but Elliotte Friedman did an AMA earlier and mentioned Kadri looking interesting in a STL uniform. I doubt there is much there, but I wonder if he's heard whispers.

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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2016, 08:33:11 PM »
It's probably nothing, but Elliotte Friedman did an AMA earlier and mentioned Kadri looking interesting in a STL uniform. I doubt there is much there, but I wonder if he's heard whispers.

I think it was more of him connecting dots between Steen's injury, Backes being a pending UFA, and the Leafs, to quote Friedman, moving anything that's not nailed down.
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Re: The Trade Deadline and the Goalie Issue
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2016, 08:33:11 PM »