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2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« on: January 18, 2016, 09:51:35 AM »
So, now that we're about 6 weeks from the deadline, and trade action has started up in the league again, I thought it would be a good time to start looking at the trade market and potential moves for the Leafs.

Here's my thoughts on how available players on the roster are/will be for the deadline (I'm not including any of the prospects on the Marlies):

Unavailable (as in, unlikely to receive a realistic trade proposal with them included)
Rielly

Willing to listen on, but not looking to move
Kadri
Gardiner
JvR (if recent reports are to be believed)

Available, but not necessarily "for sale"
Komarov
Leivo
Phaneuf
Hunwick
Winnik
Bozak
Holland
Marincin
Corrado
Bernier
Lupul

Deadline day sale
Boyes
Grabner
Parenteau
Polak
Matthias
Spaling
Arcobello
Reimer

Will take any reasonable offer on
Clune
Frattin
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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2016, 10:55:57 AM »
That's a long list of players that are potentially available.   Will be interesting to see how much of a roster sale actually happens between now and the deadline.  This team will (most likely) look incredibly different in March.

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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2016, 10:58:33 AM »
Unavailable (as in, unlikely to receive a realistic trade proposal with them included)
Rielly

Willing to listen on, but not looking to move
Kadri
Gardiner
JvR (if recent reports are to be believed)
Reimer (I think he is a keeper)

Available, but not necessarily "for sale"
Komarov
Leivo
Phaneuf
Marincin
Corrado

Deadline day sale
Boyes
Grabner
Parenteau
Polak
Matthias
Spaling
Arcobello
Hunwick
Winnik
Bozak
Holland (athough I like the kid)
Bernier (he can go and pronto)
Lupul (to injury prone and not producing this year)


Will take any reasonable offer on
Clune
Frattin
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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2016, 11:11:18 AM »
That's a long list of players that are potentially available.   Will be interesting to see how much of a roster sale actually happens between now and the deadline.  This team will (most likely) look incredibly different in March.

I expect most of the pending UFAs to be dealt. As for the guys with term left on their deals . . . maybe one or two get moved, but I also won't be surprised if they all finish the season as Leafs.
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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2016, 11:36:35 AM »
We've talked about this a bit before, but as of right now there's really only like 4-7 teams that are out of the playoff picture. Columbus, Toronto, Buffalo, and Edmonton for sure. Calgary probably for sure. Winnipeg and Anaheim are close, but a decent winning streak could get them back into the conversation (and in the case of the Ducks that's likely).

So while at the beginning of the season I would have said it's crazy to suggest that the Leafs could deal 6 of their UFAs, it's not entirely unlikely now. Especially when you look at the UFAs on the other teams.

These are all the UFAs on CBJ, BUF, and EDM: Rene Bourque, Justin Falk, David Legwand, Jamie McGinn, Teddy Purcell, Eric Gryba. So the Leafs' trade bait probably matches those 3 teams combined both in terms of quantity and quality. Calgary has Jiri Hudler, Kris Russel, and David Jones, but I suspect that they'll be trying pretty hard to re-sign the first two names so they might not be available.

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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2016, 11:49:51 AM »
So, now that we're about 6 weeks from the deadline, and trade action has started up in the league again, I thought it would be a good time to start looking at the trade market and potential moves for the Leafs.

Here's my thoughts on how available players on the roster are/will be for the deadline (I'm not including any of the prospects on the Marlies):

Unavailable (as in, unlikely to receive a realistic trade proposal with them included)
Rielly

Willing to listen on, but not looking to move
Kadri
Gardiner
JvR (if recent reports are to be believed)

Available, but not necessarily "for sale"
Komarov
Leivo
Phaneuf
Hunwick
Winnik
Bozak
Holland
Marincin
Corrado
Bernier
Lupul

Deadline day sale
Boyes
Grabner
Parenteau
Polak
Matthias
Spaling
Arcobello
Reimer

Will take any reasonable offer on
Clune
Frattin


I like the categorizations, better than my attempt earlier, and that's pretty much where I'd slot them too.

I would add Froese to the list with Frattin and Clune, but I can't see anyone picking them up except as part of larger deals.

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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2016, 12:20:47 PM »
realistically though they will probably only make 2-3 deals leading up to the deadline.  I expect the biggest returns to come from bozak, komarov, and polka with komarov and bozak not being locks to move.

I'm pretty sure they will be able to move parenteau for late picks but really who is going to pay anything for boyes/grabner/Matthias and the other for sale guys?

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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2016, 12:27:28 PM »
I'm pretty sure they will be able to move parenteau for late picks but really who is going to pay anything for boyes/grabner/Matthias and the other for sale guys?

Matthias is exactly the type of guy playoff teams love to add - defensively responsible 3rd liner with some offence. There'll definitely be a market for him. Same with Spaling, if he can show he's healthy. Boyes p/60 is excellent, and, while that might not mean much, a team that's really hurting for offensive depth coudl see him as a cheap potential fix. Grabner's also shown some defensive responsibility, and has a history of being able to score goals, and Arcobello is the kind of injury insurance that teams go for.

I'm not saying they'll get much for these guys, but it's very possible they'll get something. I also think they'll get more than "late picks" for Parenteau. He's on pace for a 40+ point season, and is scoring at a pretty good rate. That's 2nd line performance. He should be able to return a 2nd rounder or so.
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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2016, 12:43:54 PM »
Last season Jagr was traded for a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick after scoring 29 points in 57 games. Curtis Glencross was traded for a 2nd and a 3rd with 28 points in 53 games. Chris Stewart was traded for a 2nd with 25 points in 61 games. Parenteau has 22 points in 43 games right now. That's basically the same scoring rate as Jagr and Glencross, and a 20% improvement over Stewart's. So there's really no reason to think PAP can't get a 2nd rounder.

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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2016, 12:49:18 PM »
Last season Jagr was traded for a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick after scoring 29 points in 57 games. Curtis Glencross was traded for a 2nd and a 3rd with 28 points in 53 games. Chris Stewart was traded for a 2nd with 25 points in 61 games. Parenteau has 22 points in 43 games right now. That's basically the same scoring rate as Jagr and Glencross, and a 20% improvement over Stewart's. So there's really no reason to think PAP can't get a 2nd rounder.

Especially in what looks like it could be a real sellers market. For once, this whole parity business might work out in the Leafs' favour!
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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2016, 01:30:18 PM »
Last season Jagr was traded for a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick after scoring 29 points in 57 games. Curtis Glencross was traded for a 2nd and a 3rd with 28 points in 53 games. Chris Stewart was traded for a 2nd with 25 points in 61 games. Parenteau has 22 points in 43 games right now. That's basically the same scoring rate as Jagr and Glencross, and a 20% improvement over Stewart's. So there's really no reason to think PAP can't get a 2nd rounder.

Especially in what looks like it could be a real sellers market. For once, this whole parity business might work out in the Leafs' favour!

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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2016, 01:38:21 PM »
Last season Jagr was traded for a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick after scoring 29 points in 57 games. Curtis Glencross was traded for a 2nd and a 3rd with 28 points in 53 games. Chris Stewart was traded for a 2nd with 25 points in 61 games. Parenteau has 22 points in 43 games right now. That's basically the same scoring rate as Jagr and Glencross, and a 20% improvement over Stewart's. So there's really no reason to think PAP can't get a 2nd rounder.

Especially in what looks like it could be a real sellers market. For once, this whole parity business might work out in the Leafs' favour!
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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2016, 02:11:57 PM »
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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2016, 02:21:54 PM »
Available, but not necessarily "for sale"
Komarov
Leivo
Phaneuf
Hunwick
Winnik
Bozak
Holland
Marincin
Corrado
Bernier
Lupul

I've said it before on various pieces here but I just can't understand why the Leafs wouldn't be trying to sell most of these guys. Especially the ones with real term/cap hit left or the ones like Hunwick who are in roles they almost certainly won't be going forward.

Edit: Which isn't to say you'd take any offer(although getting Lupul off the books would be pretty great in and of itself) but I figure that at least you're soliciting offers.
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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2016, 03:05:45 PM »
I've said it before on various pieces here but I just can't understand why the Leafs wouldn't be trying to sell most of these guys. Especially the ones with real term/cap hit left or the ones like Hunwick who are in roles they almost certainly won't be going forward.

Edit: Which isn't to say you'd take any offer(although getting Lupul off the books would be pretty great in and of itself) but I figure that at least you're soliciting offers.

To me, it's more that the urgency isn't there to get a deal done by the deadline. With most of these guys, their value isn't going to change all that dramatically between now and the draft. I figure, with these guys, the team has an internal minimum price that other teams will have to be approaching with their offers before the Leafs get serious on negotiations.
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Re: 2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
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