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Re: Bruins @ Leafs - Nov. 23rd, 7:30pm - TSN4, Fan 590
« Reply #150 on: November 24, 2015, 02:52:35 PM »
Well, you've just proved my point, unless you are seriously arguing that there's "no appreciable difference" between a player with Rielly's mobility playing the point versus a player like Phaneuf.

No, now you're just talking gibberish. You said there's a fundamental difference between effective 4 on 3 strategies depending on what point of the game it is or even between last year's 4 on 3 OT situations and this year's. You said the word "dynamic" a lot, seemingly in the hope that it would confuse someone who didn't know what dynamic means.

The difference between Rielly and Phaneuf and what they bring to a PP exists regardless of when in the game a PP takes place and "driving the net" is not something NHL teams do with defensemen on the PP.

The Leafs got a terrific chance last night on the PP in question off of a rebound on one of Phaneuf's point shots. That JVR didn't score on it, or that Rask made one of the best saves of the season, is not a good argument against the efficacy of Phaneuf's shot as a weapon on a PP devoid of them.
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« Reply #151 on: November 24, 2015, 05:38:47 PM »
ZBBMcF #neverwrong

I swear to god, some peoples inability to hold their hands up on the Internet is hilarious.

I'm as adamant as the next guy when arguing, but when Nik(or whomever) feeds me my lunch, jokes aside, I tend to give him them their due.

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Re: Bruins @ Leafs - Nov. 23rd, 7:30pm - TSN4, Fan 590
« Reply #152 on: November 24, 2015, 06:09:09 PM »

Anyways, with all that said I think there's a fair statement to make about Rielly getting more of a shot on the PP. The problem is that I guess when I see a 4 on 3 line-up of JVR-Bozak-Boyes-Phaneuf my go to as to why it's not a particularly effective unit isn't Phaneuf.
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Re: Bruins @ Leafs - Nov. 23rd, 7:30pm - TSN4, Fan 590
« Reply #153 on: November 24, 2015, 09:29:25 PM »
ZBBMcF #neverwrong

I swear to god, some peoples inability to hold their hands up on the Internet is hilarious.

I'm as adamant as the next guy when arguing, but when Nik(or whomever) feeds me my lunch, jokes aside, I tend to give him them their due.


Well, if and when Nik ever provides me lunch, I'll gladly thank him for his generosity.

Seriously, keep in mind that he and I have been trading barbs since The Dawn of Time, almost back to Penaltybox days.  And, I think it was Henry Kissinger who once said that the reason academic debates are so vicious is because the stakes are so low.  Same here.  I mean, we're arguing about a minor point of hockey strategy.  We can afford to be belligerent because nothing of value is at stake and nothing will be settled anyhow.

And for the record, I've admitted I've been wrong any number of times.  If it makes you feel any better, I'll state publicly here and now that my qualms about taking Marner over Hanifin were wrong.  Seeing the improvement on the Leafs D so far has convinced me that Marner is needed more and is the better choice.
  8) :o :)
However, I still think they botched the management of the next round.

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Re: Bruins @ Leafs - Nov. 23rd, 7:30pm - TSN4, Fan 590
« Reply #154 on: November 24, 2015, 10:07:35 PM »
                        GP    G     A    P 

Jeremy Bracco    11    3    11   14

Martin Dzierkals  22   13   18   31

Travis Dermott    23    1    21   22


Dermott, as far as I can tell, is the highest scoring OHL defenseman this season.
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Re: Bruins @ Leafs - Nov. 23rd, 7:30pm - TSN4, Fan 590
« Reply #155 on: November 24, 2015, 10:15:44 PM »
                        GP    G     A    P 

Jeremy Bracco    11    3    11   14

Martin Dzierkals  22   13   18   31

Travis Dermott    23    1    21   22


Dermott, as far as I can tell, is the highest scoring OHL defenseman this season.

Excellent, I hope I'm proven wrong since he's ours now.  But we'll just have to wait and see.

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Re: Bruins @ Leafs - Nov. 23rd, 7:30pm - TSN4, Fan 590
« Reply #156 on: November 24, 2015, 11:02:35 PM »
                        GP    G     A    P 

Jeremy Bracco    11    3    11   14

Martin Dzierkals  22   13   18   31

Travis Dermott    23    1    21   22


Dermott, as far as I can tell, is the highest scoring OHL defenseman this season.

Excellent, I hope I'm proven wrong since he's ours now.  But we'll just have to wait and see.

Travis Konecny is the obvious guy they could have taken had they not traded down?  He is at 22gp, 5g, [edit:  33pts] on the Ottawa 67s, OHL.  So the raw stats are pretty similar to Dzierkals. Raw stats are just raw stats (on different teams, different leagues OHL vs Q).  Still, at this point, it seems like having a couple of extra irons in the fire isn't terrible.  We shall see ...

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Re: Bruins @ Leafs - Nov. 23rd, 7:30pm - TSN4, Fan 590
« Reply #157 on: November 25, 2015, 12:12:17 AM »
Travis Konecny is the obvious guy they could have taken had they not traded down?  He is at 22gp, 5g, [edit:  33pts] on the Ottawa 67s, OHL.  So the raw stats are pretty similar to Dzierkals. Raw stats are just raw stats (on different teams, different leagues OHL vs Q).  Still, at this point, it seems like having a couple of extra irons in the fire isn't terrible.  We shall see ...

Maybe although given that they went with Marner and probably had an inkling that they were going to be adding Kapanen it might be safe to assume that they would have leaned towards a defenseman regardless. Larsson, Carlsson or Roy were the likely choices there I think.
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Re: Bruins @ Leafs - Nov. 23rd, 7:30pm - TSN4, Fan 590
« Reply #158 on: November 25, 2015, 09:38:51 AM »
Jeremy Roy was the one I was hoping we'd pick up with #24 (6/17/23pts in 20 GP so far), but it's hard to argue with trading one low 1st rounder for Dermott, Bracco, Dzierkals, and a chip-in for Marincin.

Edit: Marincin came through Brad Ross + spare 4th.
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Re: Bruins @ Leafs - Nov. 23rd, 7:30pm - TSN4, Fan 590
« Reply #159 on: November 25, 2015, 11:10:48 AM »
I think the Leafs strategy is so sound, a quantam leap from the Burke and Ferguson years.  Sign up journeymen to the Leafs, hopefully they play well and we accumulate picks at the deadline.
With the experience of Hunter and Dubas to spot talent they trade up and get a 3 for 1 special.  How many first rounders never make the grade, plenty.  Out of the three Herman mentions perhaps all three will make the Big(g)s.sorry couldn't resist that
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Re: Bruins @ Leafs - Nov. 23rd, 7:30pm - TSN4, Fan 590
« Reply #160 on: November 25, 2015, 01:28:55 PM »
Jeremy Roy was the one I was hoping we'd pick up with #24 (6/17/23pts in 20 GP so far), but it's hard to argue with trading one low 1st rounder for Dermott, Bracco, Dzierkals, and a chip-in for Marincin.

Edit: Marincin came through Brad Ross + spare 4th.

I was hoping for Samsonov.

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Re: Bruins @ Leafs - Nov. 23rd, 7:30pm - TSN4, Fan 590
« Reply #160 on: November 25, 2015, 01:28:55 PM »