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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2015, 02:50:34 PM »
I doubt the leaks are coming from the Leafs side of things. The Babcock rumors were just that, rumors until someone spotted the MLSE plane taking off to Detroit and flying back again. Like I said all the so called "insiders" claimed Babcock wouldn't be coming to Toronto.

Leading up to firing of Nonis and all those scouts , once again the reporters had no clue what would happen. There were articles claiming Nonis might actually STAY on as GM -- pure speculation because he had been allowed to go through the trade deadline and finish up the season. Nobody knew of the massive firings that Shanahan executed until they happened.

Perhaps rumors of trades have some merit because there are agents and other teams involved who could leak details, but in terms of the Leafs, they seem to be very tight lipped as to what they want to do if you go by all the firings and hirings.

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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2015, 11:05:21 AM »
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. It's not all that difficult to look at a roster and make up semi-vague rumours - something the Toronto media seems to excel in.

Calling a trade rumour on Kessel and Phaneuf was pretty simple. Even throwing out possible destinations.

Getting to Zajac, if this deal ever went through I'm afraid that would finally be it for me as a fan. While technically the Leafs have won 4 Cups in my lifetime, I have zero recollection of same.

So I've  lived through Ballard, the WHA, JFJ et al and remained blindly loyal despite the Leafs never "doing it right". Renewed hope with every new Saviour, a kick in the groin for doing so.

Now it appears they are finally doing it right. Hope springs up again.

If they get Zajac it will mean The Plan is lip service again.

The only possible positive outcome could be if the Leafs give up nothing and get NJ's 1st round pick in any deal. And JFJ isn't in the GM chair in NJ...so that ain't happening.

So help us with mentoring, Lou, and leave everything else alone.
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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2015, 12:53:34 PM »
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. It's not all that difficult to look at a roster and make up semi-vague rumours - something the Toronto media seems to excel in.

Calling a trade rumour on Kessel and Phaneuf was pretty simple. Even throwing out possible destinations.

Getting to Zajac, if this deal ever went through I'm afraid that would finally be it for me as a fan. While technically the Leafs have won 4 Cups in my lifetime, I have zero recollection of same.

So I've  lived through Ballard, the WHA, JFJ et al and remained blindly loyal despite the Leafs never "doing it right". Renewed hope with every new Saviour, a kick in the groin for doing so.

Now it appears they are finally doing it right. Hope springs up again.

If they get Zajac it will mean The Plan is lip service again.

The only possible positive outcome could be if the Leafs give up nothing and get NJ's 1st round pick in any deal. And JFJ isn't in the GM chair in NJ...so that ain't happening.

So help us with mentoring, Lou, and leave everything else alone.

I agree and would be so pissed if they traded youth in Kadri or JVR for him. Both who are still young and entering their prime.  Why do we need to be better now?  We don't. Unless we are getting 2 firsts and Zajac and it's a salary dump I say no way!

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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2015, 01:35:38 PM »
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. It's not all that difficult to look at a roster and make up semi-vague rumours - something the Toronto media seems to excel in.

Calling a trade rumour on Kessel and Phaneuf was pretty simple. Even throwing out possible destinations.

Getting to Zajac, if this deal ever went through I'm afraid that would finally be it for me as a fan. While technically the Leafs have won 4 Cups in my lifetime, I have zero recollection of same.

So I've  lived through Ballard, the WHA, JFJ et al and remained blindly loyal despite the Leafs never "doing it right". Renewed hope with every new Saviour, a kick in the groin for doing so.

Now it appears they are finally doing it right. Hope springs up again.

If they get Zajac it will mean The Plan is lip service again.

The only possible positive outcome could be if the Leafs give up nothing and get NJ's 1st round pick in any deal. And JFJ isn't in the GM chair in NJ...so that ain't happening.

So help us with mentoring, Lou, and leave everything else alone.

I agree and would be so pissed if they traded youth in Kadri or JVR for him.

I'd be pissed if Toronto gave up Mitch Marner for Zack Kassian. But neither that deal nor Kadri/JVR for Zajac is going to happen.

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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2015, 01:55:41 PM »
http://www.tsn.ca/could-maple-leafs-be-in-play-for-zajac-1.367408

According to Rich Chere of the Star-Ledger in New Jersey, the Leafs and Devils may have a trade on the table that would send the 30-year-old centre to Toronto.

Well, there goes that rebuild.

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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2015, 02:00:05 PM »
http://www.tsn.ca/could-maple-leafs-be-in-play-for-zajac-1.367408

According to Rich Chere of the Star-Ledger in New Jersey, the Leafs and Devils may have a trade on the table that would send the 30-year-old centre to Toronto.

Well, there goes that rebuild.

I don't put a lot of faith in this stuff but if this were to happen I think I might be done with the Leafs for a while.  I was very excited by the prospects of the Shanahan-Hunter-Dubas group.  I'm not super thrilled with "shave your face otherwise you aren't a team player" nonsense.  If they honestly acquire Zajac not only is it acquiring a guy who has not produced but it's completely counter to everything that was started last year.

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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2015, 02:06:51 PM »
http://www.tsn.ca/could-maple-leafs-be-in-play-for-zajac-1.367408

According to Rich Chere of the Star-Ledger in New Jersey, the Leafs and Devils may have a trade on the table that would send the 30-year-old centre to Toronto.

Well, there goes that rebuild.

I don't put a lot of faith in this stuff but if this were to happen I think I might be done with the Leafs for a while.  I was very excited by the prospects of the Shanahan-Hunter-Dubas group.  I'm not super thrilled with "shave your face otherwise you aren't a team player" nonsense.  If they honestly acquire Zajac not only is it acquiring a guy who has not produced but it's completely counter to everything that was started last year.

Yeah, it's the "if" part.  If it does happen, it's just another mistake.  I would have to see what they got back, but if they give up a Kadri, or a JVR, the package back would have to include some sort of futures package, otherwise they have wasted an asset to acquire one that they won't be able to move later.   
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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2015, 02:10:02 PM »
It might make sense to wait until a deal is made to actually assess it first. There is no way Toronto is giving up Kadri and or JVR for Zajac alone. Playstation NHL wouldn't allow that trade. Let's see how this scenario plays out. I can't for a second imagine this group picking up a player that old, owed that much money and producing at a Peter Holland-esque rate for actual valuable pieces. 

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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2015, 02:55:57 PM »
I still don't buy it. This feels more like a New Jersey writer trying to connect the dots more than anything else.
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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2015, 03:25:33 PM »
I've got to believe 1st rounders are coming back this way if Kadri and JVR are going or moving a Lupel back to them.A 1st rounder must come back in any trade.

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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2015, 05:00:08 PM »
I'm sure NJ would love to dump Zajac, makes little sense for the Leafs to grab him given that contract and his output.  I'm thinking the rumors of interest are all from the NJ side.

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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2015, 05:36:11 PM »
I doubt the leaks are coming from the Leafs side of things. The Babcock rumors were just that, rumors until someone spotted the MLSE plane taking off to Detroit and flying back again. Like I said all the so called "insiders" claimed Babcock wouldn't be coming to Toronto.


Again, that's just not true. Nobody was saying anything definitively about Babcock going anywhere. At best you had people saying that Toronto was a longshot.

Once movement got started away from that, it was reported pretty quickly.   

Leading up to firing of Nonis and all those scouts , once again the reporters had no clue what would happen. There were articles claiming Nonis might actually STAY on as GM -- pure speculation because he had been allowed to go through the trade deadline and finish up the season. Nobody knew of the massive firings that Shanahan executed until they happened.

You're creating an unrealistic standard for what constitutes having information. The reason people were saying Nonis might stay is because it was something they were considering. Might implies a lack of certainty. If you say something might happen and it doesn't end up happening, you're not wrong and you very well might(again, might) be reporting with information of what people are actually thinking.

And, to that point, one of the things we do know with certainty regarding the Leafs this off-season is that they were never set in stone about what they were going to do. They didn't know they'd land Babcock, they didn't know Lamoriello would be available...so it makes perfect sense that, internally, there was a lot of discussion about what would play out. Under this current collaborative structure where, as has been described, everything is hashed out among multiple parties it stands to reason that information will come from the team that isn't definitive and that represents maybe only one of the voices in the room.

But more to the point, there's really nothing here that separates the Leafs from any other team or even any previous Leafs organization. If the standard for "leaking information" is that reporters are specifically describing exactly what is going to happen weeks from now then nobody in the entire league leaks information with any regularity.

There was lots of speculation before the season ended that there would be significant internal change after the season was over. That's the kind of vague strategy is the kind of things teams leak. Not "Yeah, we're going to fire Jim".

Again, there's really no reason to think the Leafs are any more quiet with information than anyone else. Think of the things we've heard about, things like the internal discussions about Hanifin vs. Marner or the details of the Pittsburgh trade and the various stages it went through. This is a Leafs team that's been, to their credit, very forthright with the press as they go about remaking the organization. To think that they never talk to them with any substance outside of that stretches credibility to the breaking point.
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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2015, 05:37:37 PM »
Kadri + JVR for Zajac, Pavel Zacha and Devils 2016 1st rd pick. Screw it if that's too much because the trade suggested by Rich Chere is way worse.

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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2015, 05:50:07 PM »
Kadri + JVR for Zajac, Pavel Zacha and Devils 2016 1st rd pick. Screw it if that's too much because the trade suggested by Rich Chere is way worse.

Yup, lots of reasons to ignore this rumour.
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Re: Leafs Looking at Zajac
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2015, 07:35:24 AM »
Aren't the Devils way under the Cap? They don't need to be dumping salary right now??

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