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« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2015, 10:48:08 AM »
Lou will not make any moves without approval by the rest. I just can't see him having complete autonomy.
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« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2015, 07:59:18 AM »
An article from TSN about how Lou's is still in learning mode with the Leafs: http://www.tsn.ca/lamoriello-in-learning-mode-as-new-leafs-gm-1.360569

One thing popped out as sorta interesting to me:

He had yet to institute any of his well-established New Jersey rules such as the clean-cut appearance of players though the club has quickly altered some of its media policies.

Only a few voices from the hockey operations side Lamoriello, Babcock and team president Brendan Shanahan are expected to speak for the team in the future. That's just the way the new boss prefers it.


If I don't get to hear the sound of Kyle Dubas' sweet voice anymore there will be hell to pay.

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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2015, 08:52:26 AM »
An article from TSN about how Lou's is still in learning mode with the Leafs: http://www.tsn.ca/lamoriello-in-learning-mode-as-new-leafs-gm-1.360569

One thing popped out as sorta interesting to me:

He had yet to institute any of his well-established New Jersey rules such as the clean-cut appearance of players though the club has quickly altered some of its media policies.

Only a few voices from the hockey operations side Lamoriello, Babcock and team president Brendan Shanahan are expected to speak for the team in the future. That's just the way the new boss prefers it.


If I don't get to hear the sound of Kyle Dubas' sweet voice anymore there will be hell to pay.

Maybe they think Dubas is a little too forthright when speaking, which is precisely why it's been nice to hear him talk about his philosophy on the game.

Perhaps he'll still talk Marlies specifics given he is officially their GM.

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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2015, 09:12:43 AM »
An article from TSN about how Lou's is still in learning mode with the Leafs: http://www.tsn.ca/lamoriello-in-learning-mode-as-new-leafs-gm-1.360569

One thing popped out as sorta interesting to me:

He had yet to institute any of his well-established New Jersey rules such as the clean-cut appearance of players though the club has quickly altered some of its media policies.

Only a few voices from the hockey operations side Lamoriello, Babcock and team president Brendan Shanahan are expected to speak for the team in the future. That's just the way the new boss prefers it.


If I don't get to hear the sound of Kyle Dubas' sweet voice anymore there will be hell to pay.

Maybe they think Dubas is a little too forthright when speaking, which is precisely why it's been nice to hear him talk about his philosophy on the game.

Perhaps he'll still talk Marlies specifics given he is officially their GM.

Sounds like Dubas is also being given the patient development treatment with a veteran on a short-term contract in front of him.

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« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2015, 11:21:24 AM »
An article from TSN about how Lou's is still in learning mode with the Leafs: http://www.tsn.ca/lamoriello-in-learning-mode-as-new-leafs-gm-1.360569

One thing popped out as sorta interesting to me:

He had yet to institute any of his well-established New Jersey rules such as the clean-cut appearance of players though the club has quickly altered some of its media policies.

Only a few voices from the hockey operations side Lamoriello, Babcock and team president Brendan Shanahan are expected to speak for the team in the future. That's just the way the new boss prefers it.


If I don't get to hear the sound of Kyle Dubas' sweet voice anymore there will be hell to pay.

That's something that has me a little wary.  Lou has traditionally been an awesome GM but  what had me excited about this rebuild was the Shanahan/Babcock/Hunter/Dubas group.  I'm less thrilled with a show being run by Lou.

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« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2015, 11:22:46 AM »

If there's one thing that says quality, in touch management, it's hassling players about their facial hair.
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« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2015, 12:09:39 PM »
That's something that has me a little wary.  Lou has traditionally been an awesome GM but  what had me excited about this rebuild was the Shanahan/Babcock/Hunter/Dubas group.  I'm less thrilled with a show being run by Lou.

I'm still crossing my fingers that on the inside this team is still being run by what I guess we can call the triumvirate, but yeah on the outside it's starting to look a little more like Lou might have more power than I'd like. We still don't know for sure though. His short-term deal though to me still suggests that any long-term decisions will primarily be made by the other guys.

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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2015, 12:17:34 PM »

If there's one thing that says quality, in touch management, it's hassling players about their facial hair.


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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2015, 12:58:01 PM »
That's something that has me a little wary.  Lou has traditionally been an awesome GM but  what had me excited about this rebuild was the Shanahan/Babcock/Hunter/Dubas group.  I'm less thrilled with a show being run by Lou.

I'm still crossing my fingers that on the inside this team is still being run by what I guess we can call the triumvirate, but yeah on the outside it's starting to look a little more like Lou might have more power than I'd like. We still don't know for sure though. His short-term deal though to me still suggests that any long-term decisions will primarily be made by the other guys.

We've already walked this ground, but this was exactly why I said at the get-go that bringing in LouLam was a problem.  I don't care what the length of his contract is, he's not going to subordinate himself to Dubas/Hunter.  His personality, for one reason, as well as his overall track record as a veteran GM widely considered to be among the best (although, as I've said, his recent work is suspect).

I still think bringing him in didn't make a lick of sense.

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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2015, 01:16:51 PM »
A Lou Lamoriello whose track record as GM has, for some years now, been suspect at best, I might add.

Though, to be fair, that same Lou was severely hampered by a lack of financial strength, and running a team that played in front of a fairly empty arena. How much influence those factors had is debatable, sure, but they're not factors in Toronto.
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« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2015, 01:19:43 PM »
A Lou Lamoriello whose track record as GM has, for some years now, been suspect at best, I might add.

Though, to be fair, that same Lou was severely hampered by a lack of financial strength, and running a team that played in front of a fairly empty arena. How much influence those factors had is debatable, sure, but they're not factors in Toronto.

Yeah, although they haven't been in the news as often as the Thrashers or Coyotes, the Devils as a franchise were probably just as much of a mess over the last ten years as either of them.
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« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2015, 01:21:17 PM »
I still think bringing him in didn't make a lick of sense.

The Leafs were shy on experience at the management level, I think, if Lou helps transition that group some I think it'll pay off. It sure seems like he was brought in to groom Dubas in particular, which is a bit different from not subordinating oneself.
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« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2015, 01:59:50 PM »
Yeah, although they haven't been in the news as often as the Thrashers or Coyotes, the Devils as a franchise were probably just as much of a mess over the last ten years as either of them.

He also lost 2 elite level forwards through no fault of his own basically. Kovalchuk bolted to Russia, there was nothing he could do there. And while some NJ fans think Lou could have locked up Parise to a long-term deal before he became an UFA, I think it's pretty clear that he wanted to play in his home state. And those two were basically irreplaceable. There's definitely some question marks surrounding the last few years of Lou's tenure but if even just one of those guys decided to stay in New Jersey Lou would probably still be there too.

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« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2015, 02:23:17 PM »
Yeah, although they haven't been in the news as often as the Thrashers or Coyotes, the Devils as a franchise were probably just as much of a mess over the last ten years as either of them.

He also lost 2 elite level forwards through no fault of his own basically. Kovalchuk bolted to Russia, there was nothing he could do there. And while some NJ fans think Lou could have locked up Parise to a long-term deal before he became an UFA, I think it's pretty clear that he wanted to play in his home state. And those two were basically irreplaceable. There's definitely some question marks surrounding the last few years of Lou's tenure but if even just one of those guys decided to stay in New Jersey Lou would probably still be there too.

I think a pretty fair reading of his last 5 or so years in New Jersey would be to say there's nothing egregiously bad but there's also nothing particularly good either.
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« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2015, 04:11:37 PM »
Lou hasn't been a detriment to the management team (yet?). If anything, he helps Dubas and Hunter slot into appropriate positions on the org chart for their level of NHL experience and their individual strengths, and keep Shanahan out of transactional discussions (see Kessel trade, Dave Bolland pursuit).

I do see him as a seat warmer, who brought to the group instant cachet and decades of networking with the old boys club that most of NHL GMing has become.

Is he slightly out of touch with how a salary cap era team should operate? Maybe. But Dubas and Hunter are not, and Pridham definitely is not. Lou has shown a lot of willingness to listen to those voices Shanahan has gathered together. As long as he doesn't seek to mortgage the future for the present over the next three years, this is pretty hard to screw up in my opinion.

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« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2015, 04:11:37 PM »