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Re: The Leafs Management vs NHL
« Reply #255 on: March 07, 2018, 05:46:27 PM »
Although I do wonder if the reason Shanahan declined to let him interview with Colorado was that they had already made the decision to promote him?

At one point Dreger reported that when the Leafs initially gave Colorado permission to talk to Dubas, it wasn't thought to be for a job interview. It was apparently just so they could swap ideas and talk analytics and such. And then the Leafs revoked their permission once a job offer was made. Or something like that. So I wonder if Shanny was just doing his buddy Sakic a favour initially to let Colorado pick Kyle's brain... Colorado was then super impressed with how Dubas handled himself... and then they decided to try to poach him.

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« Reply #256 on: March 08, 2018, 11:55:57 AM »
Shanahan didn't refuse permission.  Dubas declined to talk with them.

It's hard to track all the he said, team said, but nowhere did I read that Dubas declined to talk to Colorado. He declined to interview with Arizona when they reached out earlier.

All signs on the Toronto side and Colorado side pointed to Shanahan being the kibosher of Dubas becoming the hockey operations guy with the Avs.

Ah, must have confused the two.  I knew he declined to interview with someone, must have been the Arizona one.  Although I do wonder if the reason Shanahan declined to let him interview with Colorado was that they had already made the decision to promote him?

Honestly, I also completely forgot about Arizona until I tried to look up where Dubas declined Colorado and came up with the reference.

I lean towards Carlton's read on this. Also that the reporting was well after the fact.

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« Reply #257 on: March 08, 2018, 03:10:39 PM »
It's maintenance for KD. Continue to draft, add shrewdly, don't do anything stupid. With Lou's advice and rolodex the kid should be able to handle it.
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Re: The Leafs Management vs NHL
« Reply #258 on: March 13, 2018, 10:06:23 AM »
https://theathletic.com/270619/2018/03/12/custance-the-top-10-assistant-gms-ready-for-a-promotion/

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5. Kyle Dubas, Maple Leafs – This could be a moot point. Dubas, as Mirtle wrote earlier this month, looks like the front-runner to replace Lou Lamoriello as GM of the Maple Leafs. He also got a long look from Colorado. Dubas got a lot of attention as a young hire in Toronto, something that rubbed some people in the game the wrong way since it was interpreted somehow as self-promotion. Also, people in hockey tend not to like anyone who receives attention before they’re viewed as deserving it. Since his hiring, Dubas has quietly earned any promotion he’s got coming his way, and those who know him argue that what truly drives Dubas is being around people he respects with a common goal and passion that he believes in. “That’s a big driver for him,” said Kyle Raftis, who replaced Dubas as GM in Sault Ste. Marie. “It’s not about where he’s going and his eyes on the future. It’s in the moment.” And in the moment, he’s learning a lot from guys like Lamoriello and Mike Babcock. “I think he really does cherish his relationship with Lou,” Raftis said. “Anytime I’ve talked to him, he’s embraced talking about Lou and enjoys that relationship.”

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Re: The Leafs Management vs NHL
« Reply #259 on: March 13, 2018, 10:56:33 AM »

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Re: The Leafs Management vs NHL
« Reply #260 on: March 13, 2018, 12:25:46 PM »

There goes my dream of relaxed facial hair standards.

Plekanec is dreaming even harder than you.  Besides, he can imagine Auston Matthews with a beard?

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« Reply #261 on: March 13, 2018, 01:07:08 PM »

There goes my dream of relaxed facial hair standards.

Keep the dream alive, man! I'm confident this is a Lou-only policy.

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Re: The Leafs Management vs NHL
« Reply #262 on: March 13, 2018, 01:21:55 PM »

There goes my dream of relaxed facial hair standards.

Keep the dream alive, man! I'm confident this is a Lou-only policy.

Thing of it is that hockey culture is so stupid that even if Dubas did get rid of it I guarantee there'd be a column blaming that decision the second the Leafs started struggling
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Re: The Leafs Management vs NHL
« Reply #263 on: March 13, 2018, 01:56:15 PM »

There goes my dream of relaxed facial hair standards.

Keep the dream alive, man! I'm confident this is a Lou-only policy.

Thing of it is that hockey culture is so stupid that even if Dubas did get rid of it I guarantee there'd be a column blaming that decision the second the Leafs started struggling

I think the desire to blame the analytics movement will be far stronger.

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Re: The Leafs Management vs NHL
« Reply #264 on: March 13, 2018, 02:04:41 PM »
I think the desire to blame the analytics movement will be far stronger.

I don't think it's an either/or. I think Crusty O. Sportswriter's lede will be something along the lines of:

"Dubas' Maple Leafs, or Math-le Leafs, descent into mediocrity surely began with the move away from the established protocols of the more tried and true hockey wisdom espoused by his predecessor. Gone were the clean chins and team first focus, replaced by statisticians so engrossed in their abacuses(abacii?) they barely had time to groom their Kensington Market hispter beards."
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Re: The Leafs Management vs NHL
« Reply #265 on: March 13, 2018, 04:20:30 PM »
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« Reply #266 on: March 13, 2018, 07:01:00 PM »
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Re: The Leafs Management vs NHL
« Reply #267 on: March 15, 2018, 08:43:39 AM »
https://theathletic.com/274269/2018/03/15/james-van-riemsdyk-reminds-the-maple-leafs-why-hes-still-valuable/

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It was a week before the Feb. 26 trade deadline and Mike Babcock was asked if keeping James van Riemsdyk, who scored the only goal that night in a 1-0 win over Florida, would be an easy decision for the Maple Leafs.

“I don't think anything is an easy decision,” the Leafs coach said with unexpected frankness. “We've talked about this a bunch, you always have this plan but your plan can always change. It depends on what people want. There's lots of times you're going through and not planning on doing anything and you end up doing something. We don't really know, in the end, what's available and what we could pursue either.

“The way I look at it is, instead of worrying about that stuff, you just keep playing good and give ourselves the best opportunity,” Babcock added, referring to van Riemsdyk. “Then, whatever is best for our team, Lou will do.”

The Leafs, in other words, were open to moving van Riemsdyk if the right deal came around.

This sort of decision making is very flow-charty and pretty much follows along with Lou's oft-repeated "if we have time to make the decision, we'll use it", and the much more annoying version: "there's a five-year plan that changes every day". It recognizes that player valuations are variable and something that players are encouraged to take ownership of (a la Kadri).
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Re: The Leafs Management vs NHL
« Reply #268 on: March 16, 2018, 03:13:05 PM »
https://theathletic.com/276317/2018/03/16/twitter-questions-answered-on-the-futures-of-tavares-and-jvr-skill-development-rules-changes-and-more/

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The hierarchy is probably Brendan Shanahan, then Lou Lamoriello, then Mike Babcock (but Lou listens to every request Babs has, so they're basically on the same plane). After that, I would guess that different people value the input of Mark Hunter and Kyle Dubas to different degrees, though they both have a respected voice with everyone. Those first three guys lean heavy on the other two for their info, which they both have mountains of.

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I don't think so. Not that they don't get along, they've just both been vying for the same job, and have been on the same plane for so long it would probably be weird for one to suddenly have to acquiesce to the other.

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Re: The Leafs Management vs NHL
« Reply #269 on: March 16, 2018, 03:28:40 PM »
And the best answer from that article:


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Mitch is nearly impossible to hit with the puck, which is a skill he's had to develop because he's a dainty little feather, pushed by the gentle breeze in whichever direction it wants him to go. Which is to say, someone like Evgeni Malkin would wear him like a scarf out of the corner on the way to the net. So … nope! They'll keep Mitchy flying up-ice and scaring D-man for the foreseeable future.

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Re: The Leafs Management vs NHL
« Reply #269 on: March 16, 2018, 03:28:40 PM »