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Re: Who are the seasoned leader(s) on the Marlies?
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2015, 09:29:54 PM »
Robidas is not an AHL quality player, jeebus. Old, yes, declining, yes, AHL? Get bent.

How good those teams are isn't really a reflection on the abilities of their captains directly, and you completely missed the point, again.

You're admitting you have no idea who is a qualified candidate or the potential extent of their influence or how much that matters.

You're not being progressive or providing new ideas here, mostly trolling.

Is it nice in your world, I don't know or care but I think it best if you not include us in it!

Folks in my world wonder who you'd choose to be captain of the Marlies and why it's a such a meaningful distinction, especially considering that you claim to only watch the Leafs, not the Marlies or junior. ( and yeah, leave Robidas out of it )
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Re: Who are the seasoned leader(s) on the Marlies?
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2015, 01:48:43 AM »
As others have mentioned, there's absolutely nothing progressive or innovative about what you're proposing. Veteran leadership? That's the definition of an old school way of doing things. Sending older players to the AHL? That's been happening since the league started using a minor league system. Trying the two together? Been done to death.

Also, there's a huge difference between a leader and a mentor. Leadership is about bringing a group together and inspiring them to be the best they can be. Mentorship is about one on one guidance. Whether Phaneuf is a leader or not has absolutely no bearing on his ability to be a mentor. Being a successful mentor requires a personal connection between the mentor and the student. You can't just throw a veteran into a situation and have it work - especially if that's not what that player signed up for. Nik is absolutely right. At the AHL level, the most important leaders and mentors are the coaching staff. Older players would just be taking roster spots and playing time away from players the Leafs are trying to develop.

I like this, this is discussion/debate which is why I figured this site was all about.

I do disagree with the concept that the minor league teams are exclusively devoted to development, generally they are all about winning and basically hoping that the players there are developing because of the winning. A classic example would be Kadri who both Wilson and BB felt would make a better winger than center yet the few minor games I watched had him playing center, a major disconnect. Another example would be Colborne who obviously didn't have the talent to be a top 6 player with the Leafs yet thru his entire Marlie AHL career he was used as the #1 center.

On the Leafs there are at least 3 coaches who we're told aren't there to coach, at least according to RC, why doesn't TO have double that number of coaches or even more so that individual attention is actually paid to those who need it, if not coaches then mentors. I get the impression that it's a forgone conclusion that Nylander will return to the Marlies to learn how to play center, fair enough I guess, but we do know that Nylander has already achieved impressively in Europe and in the AHL both as a winger and center.

I think you can mentor a person but if you don't have their respect then the value of the mentoring would be doubtful. AHL players respect players in the show or have been in the show, respect is the foundation of mentoring. Roster spots in the AHL are always going to be wasted as the vast majority of Marlies will never make the NHL, having players/mentors to foster player development is far more practical than having a roster spot filled by someone with no NHL potential, a roster filler.

I've always felt that teams have placed winning at all levels below the NHL to high, I prefer that development be front and center and I suspect  that winning will soon follow. Kadri was used in the AHL as a center because the Marlies had no better options, Colborne was a #1 center because of lack of options and there was some hope that the Marlies might win with them in those roles, development be dammed, win at all costs.

There is old school that has been done to death but was it done to death right, some old ideas are right but are never really properly implemented, Detroit has often left their prospects in the minors till they were over ripe and many have cited this as exemplary but I think it's a waste, true development might salvage some players who otherwise may never have made it to the NHL but otherwise the AHL often seems the place when teams dump players they aren't sure what to do with.
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Re: Who are the seasoned leader(s) on the Marlies?
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2015, 01:40:32 PM »
My mother used to tell me 2 wrongs don't make a right, I'm looking for the right and it might already be there. I'm talking I think about progressive or new ideas and you are discounting them with little or no thought, yet you accept corsi, you accept TO operating without a GM, have you reached the end of your ability to be open to new ideas?

I'm open to any new idea so long as it's based on facts(Corsi) or comes with a well reasoned argument(the semantics of job titles not being important).

This is neither.
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Re: Who are the seasoned leader(s) on the Marlies?
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2015, 03:14:22 PM »
My mother used to tell me 2 wrongs don't make a right, I'm looking for the right and it might already be there. I'm talking I think about progressive or new ideas and you are discounting them with little or no thought, yet you accept corsi, you accept TO operating without a GM, have you reached the end of your ability to be open to new ideas?

I'm open to any new idea so long as it's based on facts(Corsi) or comes with a well reasoned argument(the semantics of job titles not being important).

This is neither.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it fine, me I'm looking for TO to become better by any means possible and the quicker the better because I don't want to endure 5 or more years of TO being miserably bad like the Oilers have been. I pretty sure TO's future is going to be very closely tied to how the Marlies are going to be handled so I'm looking for something better that will benefit the organization from top to bottom.

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Re: Who are the seasoned leader(s) on the Marlies?
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2015, 03:19:26 PM »
I have complete, 100% faith in Dubas and Keefe handling the Marlies/the teams development resources. Our prospects are in good hands.

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Re: Who are the seasoned leader(s) on the Marlies?
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2015, 03:28:55 PM »
I have complete, 100% faith in Dubas and Keefe handling the Marlies/the teams development resources. Our prospects are in good hands.

I hope you're right!

Another thing not totally related that bothers me is why is TO filling up all the 50 man roster spots, I don't think all 50 are filled yet but a rebuilding team should have flexibility, lots of flexibility.

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Re: Who are the seasoned leader(s) on the Marlies?
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2015, 03:28:55 PM »