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Offline Michael

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Ranking Prospects
« on: July 08, 2015, 03:08:32 PM »
I do not expect the Leafs to give us much to cheer about over the next two years, unless you like Tank Nation type cheering. What we can get excited about is the prospects, which over time is going to be a longer and deeper list for sure.

I'm wondering if people with better knowledge and insight than I have would be able to help start a discussion about the depth of prospects the Leafs have right now. How would you rank them? One to three are likely to be agreed on, but what about after that? Does anyone with the knowledge and the time to do so want to rank the top 10 or 20?

1. Mitch Marner
2. William Nylander
3. Kasperi Kapanen

Andreas Johnson
Zach Hyman
Frederick Gauthier
Connor Brown
Scott Harrington
etc. etc.

 




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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2015, 03:32:55 PM »
Hockeys Future does this with prospects under contract.

PensionPlanPuppets does a top 25 under 25 before every season as well.

Obviously, like scouting rankings, there are degrees of subjectivity and preference that come into play. I use these lists as a way to get to know the prospects in the pipeline, as I haven't the opportunity to watch them in action.

I have an eye on the following:
Forward
William Nylander
Mitch Marner
Kasperi Kapanen
Andreas Johnson
Connor Brown
Frederic Gauthier

Defense
Stuart Percy
Matt Finn
Petter Granberg
Viktor Loov
Travis Dermott
Jesper Lindgren
« Last Edit: July 08, 2015, 03:42:38 PM by herman »

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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2015, 03:38:19 PM »
Hockeys Future does this with prospects under contract.

PensionPlanPuppets does a top 25 under 25 before every season as well.

Obviously, like scouting rankings, there are degrees of subjectivity and preference that come into play. I use these lists as a way to get to know the prospects in the pipeline, as I haven't the opportunity to watch them in action.

I have an eye on the following:
Forward William Nylander Mitch Marner Kasperi Kapanen Andreas Johnson Connor Brown Frederic Gauthier
DefenseStuart PercyMatt FinnPetter GranbergViktor LoovTravis DermottJesper Lindgren

So you would not have Harrington in your top 5 D prospects?

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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2015, 03:45:36 PM »
I don't really know much about Harrington. Stay-at-home defenders aren't really my cup of tea, either, so that's probably why I'm lukewarm at the moment.

Had I remembered him, I'd probably put him in the Viktor Loov/Petter Granberg pile.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2015, 03:47:17 PM by herman »

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Re: Ranking Prospects
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2015, 03:55:35 PM »
A year ago NHL.com listed this as our top-10 prospects:

Nylander
Percy
Gauthier
Brown
Finn
Johnson
Loov
Leivo
Bibeau
Nilsson

Is that a perfect list? Not really, but lets go from there. I would say that Brown, Johnson, and Bibeau  trended upward, while Percy, Finn, and Leivo had their stocks drop somewhat. So if we're just ranking those guys it'd look something like Nylander-Brown-Johnson-Gauthier-Loov-Percy-Finn-Bibeau-Nilsson-Leivo. You could make the case too that Carter Verhaeghe deserves to be there too, or at least he'd be very close.

Then we obviously added a decent amount of guys who deserve consideration. Marner and Kapanen for sure. Leipsic, Harrington, Bailey, Hyman. If I had to start ranking guys, I'd be more comfortable doing it in tiers like this:

Nylander
Marner

Kapanen
Brown
Johnson

Leipsic
Gauthier
Harrington

Bracco
Dermott

Loov
Percy
Leivo
Nilsson

Finn
Bailey
Hyman
Soshnikov
Verhaeghe
Valiev

And that just happens to be 20 players so I'll stop there. Some of the other guys from this draft like Lindgren, Timashov, and Korostelev deserve consideration here too, but maybe it's a little too early to start throwing their names out. I'd probably put their potential over some older guys like Leivo/Bailey/Hyman but they don't have the experience yet of course.

Then there's a handful of NCAA guys from before this draft like Cameranesi, Toninato, Joshua, Piccinich, and Vesey that I have no idea how I'd rank. They're all long-shots really but maybe we get one NHLer out of the bunch, who knows.

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Re: Ranking Prospects
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2015, 07:33:44 PM »
Nylander(by some distance)

Marner

Brown

Kapanen

Johnson

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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2015, 07:55:08 PM »
I watched Cameranesi in the last game against Boston C. and he was amazing, he was on the puck all the time. He could be the sleeper and I think Toninato has some upside as well. Of course these are long horses but the more horses in the race the more that will cross the finish line. Man we seem to be filling the empty cupboards fairly quickly. Right now we have 11 picks for next year, at this rate we could end up with 15 for the 16 draft. 
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2015, 07:59:32 PM »
A year ago NHL.com listed this as our top-10 prospects:

This got me thinking. I wonder what it would look like if we kept a list of the top 10 or top 20 prospects year over year for the next few years. It's no stretch to think that the quality in the next 2 - 3 years is going to go up a lot.

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2015, 08:02:29 PM »
Nylander(by some distance)

So, hypothetically speaking, you believe that if Nylander and Marner were not both prospects of the same team, that any GM would trade away Marner to get Nylander? I disagree, by some distance.

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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2015, 08:12:14 PM »
Nylander and Marner on my watch are going to be almost of equal talents  in hope, although the mutual hope is they both become superstars.
I will be giving my full team list of nicknames shortly (which I don't use for offending most) but I will say I want to call this kid: Gran Marner (after one of my favorite nightcaps)
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Re: Ranking Prospects
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2015, 08:14:58 PM »

Nylander(by some distance)

So, hypothetically speaking, you believe that if Nylander and Marner were not both prospects of the same team, that any GM would trade away Marner to get Nylander? I disagree, by some distance.

Marner had an unbelievable year in Jnr last year and still has that new draft pick smell that makes him fancy and exciting, but I'm absolutely stunned at how little coverage the year that Nylander had as a pro and a teenager at that, has had.

Nylander's first pro season was more impressive to me, for what he achieved on the ice and also in the weight room.

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Re: Ranking Prospects
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2015, 08:16:46 PM »
www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2015/7/5/8894149/is-mitch-marner-or-william-nylander-the-leafs-best-prospect

This is a pretty good look at both, although I favor Nylander quite a bit more than the author.

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2015, 10:19:03 PM »
www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2015/7/5/8894149/is-mitch-marner-or-william-nylander-the-leafs-best-prospect

This is a pretty good look at both, although I favor Nylander quite a bit more than the author.

The author seemed pretty fawning over Nylander.

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2015, 08:32:56 AM »
This got me thinking. I wonder what it would look like if we kept a list of the top 10 or top 20 prospects year over year for the next few years. It's no stretch to think that the quality in the next 2 - 3 years is going to go up a lot.

Well even just from my completely unofficial rankings 6 of the top-10 are players that we've added since February. That's a pretty big injection of talent.

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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2015, 08:42:46 AM »
This got me thinking. I wonder what it would look like if we kept a list of the top 10 or top 20 prospects year over year for the next few years. It's no stretch to think that the quality in the next 2 - 3 years is going to go up a lot.

Well even just from my completely unofficial rankings 6 of the top-10 are players that we've added since February. That's a pretty big injection of talent.

It borders on a full on transfusion. Other than Nylander and Brown, nearly everyone else brought in has bumped the old pool down a few tiers.

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Re: Ranking Prospects
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2015, 08:42:46 AM »