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Re: so is Burke finished..
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2011, 05:47:12 PM »
So he's well rested, and injury free?

Yep. Though one might say the same thing about Babe Dye.  ;)

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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2011, 12:11:34 AM »
I was hoping that the major trade would be something like Stastny not wanting to be in Colorado and sending Grabovski + the amazing Komisarek to them to help them with their Cap issues. Throw in a top prospect who hasn't played in the NHL yet and we got a deal.

Then flip MacArthur and Blacker + ?? for Parise.

Ok...ok...I don't know what Burke will/should do or even how.  I was just hoping the Leafs lineup would look something like:

Kulemin / Stastny / Kessel

Parise / Connolly / Lupul

Kadri / Bozak / Armstrong

Caputi / Colborne / Brown

Fight night 4th line:

Brown / Boyce(Ziggy) / Orr

Colborne would be groomed for the 2nd Center spot in 3 years after Connolly's contract runs out, Frattin should then be ready to replace Lupul and Biggs should be close to replacing Armstrong.

On D, with Komisarek gone and Franson in, next summer Gardiner might be ready to replace Liles.

After that have the new kids competing with the team for a spot.

Does that answer the 4th line center question or was that an Armchair GM 2011/12 answer?
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Re: so is Burke finished..
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2011, 12:16:45 AM »
Um, yes please? Though I'll "settle" for just Parise some way.

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Re: so is Burke finished..
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2011, 01:34:46 AM »
Then flip MacArthur and Blacker + ?? for Parise.

The ?? in this case being Jeffrey Vanderbeek's children, alive and unharmed.
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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2011, 02:28:17 AM »
I was hoping that the major trade would be something like Stastny not wanting to be in Colorado and sending Grabovski + the amazing Komisarek to them to help them with their Cap issues. Throw in a top prospect who hasn't played in the NHL yet and we got a deal.

Then flip MacArthur and Blacker + ?? for Parise.

Ok...ok...I don't know what Burke will/should do or even how.  I was just hoping the Leafs lineup would look something like:

Kulemin / Stastny / Kessel

Parise / Connolly / Lupul

Kadri / Bozak / Armstrong

Caputi / Colborne / Brown

Fight night 4th line:

Brown / Boyce(Ziggy) / Orr

Colborne would be groomed for the 2nd Center spot in 3 years after Connolly's contract runs out, Frattin should then be ready to replace Lupul and Biggs should be close to replacing Armstrong.

On D, with Komisarek gone and Franson in, next summer Gardiner might be ready to replace Liles.

After that have the new kids competing with the team for a spot.

Does that answer the 4th line center question or was that an Armchair GM 2011/12 answer?

You are missing Stamkos, Nash and Bobby Ryan.

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Re: so is Burke finished..
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2011, 07:21:01 AM »
Brian Burke confidently taking heat
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/adrian_dater/07/12/brian.burke.maple.leafs/
What word would Burke bring to a table full of critics who want him to explain why he has been too quiet for their liking on the trade and free agent markets this summer?

"One word: Dion," he replies.

....

In a word, Brian Burke's attitude can be summed up as confident.


Watters interview with the author of the above article
http://emedia.640toronto.com/Podcasts/1064/11_0712_adrian_dater.mp3

Talks Liles, Varlamov trade, Avs news and eventually Burke.

Not a fan of the Rangers deal "in three years, Richards won't be much - not an impact/dominant player" (paraphrased)

"I think Brian Burke is going about it the right way with rebuild-2 and blowing dough on Richards wasn't the answer."
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Re: so is Burke finished..
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2011, 07:33:12 AM »
he def.missed the boat on carter or richards from philly.to think we were so close to carter a cpl times last cpl of years,thnx sundin and kaberle.if he was the great wheeler dealer he thinks he is he should have been able to get one of the above or both.look what he gave up for kessel?? he may have outscored the draft picks now but wait till all their careers are over then count them up and see.

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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2011, 08:23:32 AM »
I only wish that it hadn't taken Burke so long to get to the true rebuilding position he is in now (patience isn't my strong suit).  I do like the direction we are headed in and I'm glad Burke didn't get sucked into the July 1st frenzy that I think some teams may end up regretting in the long run.

I still however think that Wilson is not the man to get the best out of the players Burke has provided him with (I miss the fire Ron Wilson thread!)

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Re: so is Burke finished..
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2011, 10:03:31 PM »
I was hoping that the major trade would be something like Stastny not wanting to be in Colorado and sending Grabovski + the amazing Komisarek to them to help them with their Cap issues. Throw in a top prospect who hasn't played in the NHL yet and we got a deal.

Then flip MacArthur and Blacker + ?? for Parise.

Ok...ok...I don't know what Burke will/should do or even how.  I was just hoping the Leafs lineup would look something like:

Kulemin / Stastny / Kessel

Parise / Connolly / Lupul

Kadri / Bozak / Armstrong

Caputi / Colborne / Brown

Fight night 4th line:

Brown / Boyce(Ziggy) / Orr

Colborne would be groomed for the 2nd Center spot in 3 years after Connolly's contract runs out, Frattin should then be ready to replace Lupul and Biggs should be close to replacing Armstrong.

On D, with Komisarek gone and Franson in, next summer Gardiner might be ready to replace Liles.

After that have the new kids competing with the team for a spot.

Does that answer the 4th line center question or was that an Armchair GM 2011/12 answer?

You are missing Stamkos, Nash and Bobby Ryan.

....they would put us over the cap and possibly wreck the team's chemistry...
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Re: so is Burke finished..
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2011, 02:12:37 AM »
I only wish that it hadn't taken Burke so long to get to the true rebuilding position he is in now (patience isn't my strong suit).  I do like the direction we are headed in and I'm glad Burke didn't get sucked into the July 1st frenzy that I think some teams may end up regretting in the long run.

I still however think that Wilson is not the man to get the best out of the players Burke has provided him with (I miss the fire Ron Wilson thread!)




i would give him the chance with this group and if he is sucking at the half mark we replace him. i like this team and think if the pp and pk improve were a team on the rapid climb.

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Re: so is Burke finished..
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2011, 08:24:19 AM »
Has BB done enough to turn this around here yet. he has stockpiled the cubbards with high end talent or at least on paper he has.aquired some extra draft picks although not sure if they are very high end yet. once shenn is signed they will be pretty close to the limit , he will have to shed some money to improve if they come out of the gate flat. i really think he missed the boat on carter or richards ,he should have gone all out for one of them somehow but instead signed a pretty weak imatation of a front line centre ,with an injury prone connelly. both sundin and kaberle screwed us out of carter and some high picks and what not by not dropping the ntc , this team doesnt look much stronger now then at the end of last season.

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Re: so is Burke finished..
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2011, 08:34:46 AM »
... this team doesnt look much stronger now then at the end of last season.

I'll take that.  We finished strong last season.   If this team is as competitive as the team that finished last year, we've got reason for hope.

Ha Burke done enough?  It's frustrating to hear people complain about every big name guy who doesn't come to Toronto, and blame Burke.  Not everyone wants to come here, and not everyone can come here, with salary caps and other rules.

Burke has strengthened the team, while sticking to his beliefs (no offer sheets, no front-loaded UFA contracts) and I commend that. 

Will Connelly be the answer?  Who knows.  If he stays healthy, he might be.  If he stays heathy, he's an upgrade.

Is Cody Franson the answer?  Nope, but he's an upgrade over Lebda, so we're a better team for that. 

Hase Burke done enough?  Next June, there will be only one GM who has "done enough", assuming the goal is the Stanley Cup.  Has he made the team better?  I think so.  Has he done this while sticking to his beliefs?  Yes. 

And as an aside, I am tired of hearing people criticizing Sundin and Kaberle (and anyone for that matter) for loyalty.  There's not enough loyalty in the world anymore, but I think that topic has been discussed to death (Kaberle/Sundin NTC).

Go Leafs.  LEt's hope they start 2011-2012 as strongly as they finished 2010-2011.

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Re: so is Burke finished..
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2011, 08:38:23 AM »
To get us in to the playoffs? I doubt it but I think all areas of the organization have improved (albeit at a snail's pace) since Burke's arrival. The prospect pool is deep but lacks a true blue-chip prospect.   

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Re: so is Burke finished..
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2011, 09:45:49 AM »
both sundin and kaberle screwed us out of carter and some high picks and what not by not dropping the ntc ,

Wow, really? Bringing up something from that long ago and still being wrong about it? Want to complain about the Courtnall trade? Keon's feud with Ballard? All these new fangled horseless carriages?
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Re: so is Burke finished..
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2011, 10:52:32 AM »
well it seems Burke may well be done untill camp. i think we look very good for the start of the season, and if there is a big deal out there i dont see it.


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