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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2015, 04:36:01 PM »
With the Leafs doing the Pens a solid by retaining salary and taking on Sill I think they should have probably been able to get a little extra out of the deal. Even a 6th or 7th round pick thrown in, I mentioned in the other thread how it's important to get as many picks as possible even late ones. But oh well.

I think that may have been a factor in how they were able to snag the 4th.
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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2015, 04:40:11 PM »
Recouping draft picks and doing it with pending UFA assets in a non-playoff year is a nice change.  It's a pretty solid return on Winnik overall.  It also pretty much takes away one of the last few guys who has given a quality effort all year.  It's a huge blow to the PK certainly.

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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2015, 04:41:43 PM »
Free assets for a UFA.  Brilliant.

Makes you wonder where we could have been had we been more proactive about Raymond & Kulemin last year.   I understand that we were in a playoff spot at the time ... but it should have been a sign or trade decision with those two non-core type players.

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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2015, 05:17:26 PM »
Zach Sill...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zach_Sill

Been awarded hardest hitter, hardest worker, best defensive forward in his minor league years. Not a point producer, but a good worker bee. Maybe his effort will rub off on some of the other guys, either with the Marlies or the Leafs.
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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2015, 05:19:16 PM »
Free assets for a UFA.  Brilliant.

Makes you wonder where we could have been had we been more proactive about Raymond & Kulemin last year.   I understand that we were in a playoff spot at the time ... but it should have been a sign or trade decision with those two non-core type players.

Please stop making sense. ;)

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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2015, 05:25:43 PM »
So the NHL moved the trade deadline to today?

Whatever happened to "we're going to wait until the deadline to get the best deal"?

I guess the second rounder is okay but it means waiting until 2016 unless we can trade it as part of a package. The fourth rounder is meh (we aren't the Red Wings when it comes to later round picks) unless we can package it.

As for the player (who dat?) Marlies material I suppose.

Count me as largely unimpressed other than it beats what we got for Kuleman & Raymond as pmrules has pointed out. 

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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2015, 05:32:08 PM »

Does it strike anyone else as maybe being a touch odd that Winnik was worth a second and a fourth and Santorelli was only worth a prospect that, charitably, is about equivalent to a second? Or is this further evidence of just how unwilling teams are to part with 1st rounders and that trade was more of a package deal than we've assumed?

Well, perhaps 1st rounders are not available but the Kings just gave up a 1st round pick to Carolina so it can be done.

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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2015, 05:35:44 PM »
So the NHL moved the trade deadline to today?

Whatever happened to "we're going to wait until the deadline to get the best deal"?

I guess the second rounder is okay but it means waiting until 2016 unless we can trade it as part of a package. The fourth rounder is meh (we aren't the Red Wings when it comes to later round picks) unless we can package it.

As for the player (who dat?) Marlies material I suppose.

Count me as largely unimpressed other than it beats what we got for Kuleman & Raymond as pmrules has pointed out.

How much were you expecting to get for Winnik?

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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2015, 05:45:07 PM »
This was a really good trade for the Leafs, but I echo the sentiment that they should have been able to get much much more for santorelli and Franson.

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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2015, 05:47:48 PM »

Does it strike anyone else as maybe being a touch odd that Winnik was worth a second and a fourth and Santorelli was only worth a prospect that, charitably, is about equivalent to a second? Or is this further evidence of just how unwilling teams are to part with 1st rounders and that trade was more of a package deal than we've assumed?

Well, perhaps 1st rounders are not available but the Kings just gave up a 1st round pick to Carolina so it can be done.

Yes. A keen observer might note that one got dealt in the Franson trade as well.
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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2015, 05:55:45 PM »
LeBrun says the Leafs are actually interested in seeing what Sill has to offer down the stretch, so, they obviously felt there was value there.

... was this supposed to make me feel better? ;)

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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2015, 05:59:47 PM »
I think the interesting question is would you rather have LA's first or Nashville's first.

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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2015, 06:01:45 PM »
I think the interesting question is would you rather have LA's first or Nashville's first.

On the whole? Probably Nashville's. I don't think there's a big difference though and I don't think that's a choice anyone had in front of them.
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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2015, 06:07:31 PM »
I think the interesting question is would you rather have LA's first or Nashville's first.

On the whole? Probably Nashville's. I don't think there's a big difference though and I don't think that's a choice anyone had in front of them.

Just speculating who received the better first round pick.

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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2015, 06:25:48 PM »
So the NHL moved the trade deadline to today?

Whatever happened to "we're going to wait until the deadline to get the best deal"?

I guess the second rounder is okay but it means waiting until 2016 unless we can trade it as part of a package. The fourth rounder is meh (we aren't the Red Wings when it comes to later round picks) unless we can package it.

As for the player (who dat?) Marlies material I suppose.

Count me as largely unimpressed other than it beats what we got for Kuleman & Raymond as pmrules has pointed out.

If this team is truly rebuilding then this is the kind of deal they need to be making.

Deep draft this year and they'll likely stink again next year so a 2nd is great. Next year could be a good draft, it's likely too early to tell.

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Re: Winnik traded to Pittsburgh
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2015, 06:25:48 PM »