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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2014, 10:34:09 AM »
I can't see Kozun sticking around once he returns. He was getting close to losing his spot in the line-up even before the injury.

I don't think he sticks, either. Honestly, I never really saw much in him to start with. He had a good camp, but, once the real games started, he seemed out of place.
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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2014, 10:40:33 AM »
I can't see Kozun sticking around once he returns. He was getting close to losing his spot in the line-up even before the injury.

I don't think he sticks, either. Honestly, I never really saw much in him to start with. He had a good camp, but, once the real games started, he seemed out of place.

You are comparing him to who? the likes of Frattin and Ashton. He has 10 times the talent, in half their size.

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2014, 10:42:59 AM »
You are comparing him to who? the likes of Frattin and Ashton. He has 10 times the talent, in half their size.

To everyone else who played with or against him when he was on the ice in the games he got into. He wasn't good enough. His size did him no favours, and he really did not show the talent that you claim to see. He's an AHL calibre player - a good one, but, still AHL calibre.
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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2014, 10:55:56 AM »
You are comparing him to who? the likes of Frattin and Ashton. He has 10 times the talent, in half their size.

To everyone else who played with or against him when he was on the ice in the games he got into. He wasn't good enough. His size did him no favours, and he really did not show the talent that you claim to see. He's an AHL calibre player - a good one, but, still AHL calibre.

well so are Ashton and Frattin.

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2014, 10:57:54 AM »
You are comparing him to who? the likes of Frattin and Ashton. He has 10 times the talent, in half their size.

To everyone else who played with or against him when he was on the ice in the games he got into. He wasn't good enough. His size did him no favours, and he really did not show the talent that you claim to see. He's an AHL calibre player - a good one, but, still AHL calibre.

And his big attribute was his speed on the PK.  Bozak is there for his face off ability.  Holland has shown he can be adept there too.  Komarov is likely our best PKer and between Santorelli, Booth, JVR, even Kadri there really isn't a need for him.

He was a nice preseason story and nothing more.

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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2014, 11:11:05 AM »
He was a nice preseason story and nothing more.

Teams in general need to do a better job evaluating talent during preseason. Legit NHL players use preseason to get up to speed and prepare for the regular season. AHL players have to act like it's the playoffs because they know it might be their only shot at the NHL. It's easy for guys like Kozun and Carrick to look good just by giving 110% during games where most players are only giving 50-70%.
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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2014, 11:15:04 AM »
well so are Ashton and Frattin.

Maybe - though, I feel like Ashton showed a lot more usefulness as a bottom 6 player in his few games this season than Kozun did - but, he's not competing against them for a spot in the lineup. All 3 of them are on the outside, looking in when everyone is healthy.
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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2014, 11:16:07 AM »
He was a nice preseason story and nothing more.

Teams in general need to do a better job evaluating talent during preseason. Legit NHL players use preseason to get up to speed and prepare for the regular season. AHL players have to act like it's the playoffs because they known it might be their only shot at the NHL. It's easy for guys like Kozun and Carrick to look good just by giving 110% during games where most players are only giving 50-70%.

Happens every year with 1 or 2 players.

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2014, 11:43:30 AM »
You are comparing him to who? the likes of Frattin and Ashton. He has 10 times the talent, in half their size.

To everyone else who played with or against him when he was on the ice in the games he got into. He wasn't good enough. His size did him no favours, and he really did not show the talent that you claim to see. He's an AHL calibre player - a good one, but, still AHL calibre.

And his big attribute was his speed on the PK.  Bozak is there for his face off ability.  Holland has shown he can be adept there too.  Komarov is likely our best PKer and between Santorelli, Booth, JVR, even Kadri there really isn't a need for him.

He was a nice preseason story and nothing more.

But Kozun doesn't have to be better than JVR and Kadri.  If everybody's healthy, we have:

JVR - Boz - Phil
Lupul - Kadri - Clarkson
Komarov - Holland - Winnik
Booth - Santorelli - ???

That final spot would be Kozun, Panik, or I guess Leivo.... you don't think Kozun has any shot?

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2014, 11:46:56 AM »
JVR - Boz - Phil
Lupul - Kadri - Clarkson
Komarov - Holland - Winnik
Booth - Santorelli - ???

That final spot would be Kozun, Panik, or I guess Leivo.... you don't think Kozun has any shot?

In my perfect world we would keep Smith up and leave Holland at 3C and Santorelli on the wing. That would be 12 forwards. In your situation (which is a lot more likely) yeah Panik probably has that last forward spot secured. I'd put Leivo and probably even Bodie ahead of Kozun on the depth chart as well.

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2014, 11:51:27 AM »
That final spot would be Kozun, Panik, or I guess Leivo.... you don't think Kozun has any shot?

I'd say there's a pretty solid gap between Panik and Kozun - especially for that kind of role.
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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2014, 11:58:20 AM »
That final spot would be Kozun, Panik, or I guess Leivo.... you don't think Kozun has any shot?

I'd say there's a pretty solid gap between Panik and Kozun - especially for that kind of role.

Dang... I guess I have a soft spot for crazy fast players.

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2014, 12:46:13 PM »
That final spot would be Kozun, Panik, or I guess Leivo.... you don't think Kozun has any shot?

I'd say there's a pretty solid gap between Panik and Kozun - especially for that kind of role.

Dang... I guess I have a soft spot for crazy fast players.

I don't think you put Kozun on the fourth line, I thought he was doing well for the first couple of games with Lups and Kadri.  IMO I dont see Winnik as a second line player

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2014, 01:13:37 PM »
Kozun played in 5 games.  He had 1 assist and was a -4.  Yes he had speed but how that stat line suggests anything other than a guy who was working his butt off and wasn't getting the job done is beyond me.

I don't think anyone argues that Winnik is a 2nd line player but put in the role he has produced some offense.  He is certainly not a long-term option on that line but Kozun isn't either.

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2014, 01:16:59 PM »
Kozun played in 5 games.  He had 1 assist and was a -4.  Yes he had speed but how that stat line suggests anything other than a guy who was working his butt off and wasn't getting the job done is beyond me.

I don't think anyone argues that Winnik is a 2nd line player but put in the role he has produced some offense.  He is certainly not a long-term option on that line but Kozun isn't either.

Everyone that line were not playing well, I think Kadri had a total of two point in his first 7 games this year. So I dont think that is a sign of how Kozun could of played.

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2014, 01:16:59 PM »