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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2014, 02:21:53 PM »
Three reasons I can think of off the top of my head - he's younger than Spezza, he's a Stanley Cup winner, he won a Gold with Canada at the 2010 Winter Olympics.

And Spezza is also a significantly better scorer, being a career ppg player compared to .89 for Staal, as well as coming with a lower cap hit.

In the playoffs Staal is PPG, Spezza is just slightly under. Spezza may have a lower hit now but he's due for a new contract after this season. You get two years of Staal if you trade for him - that's going to affect his value. He's not a rental.

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There are differences between the two of them, sure, but the differences aren't enough for the difference between a 23 year old former second round pick forward whose career best is 35 points being the best piece in a trade and a 20 year old former 5th overall pick who'd nearly matched that point total as a rookie defenseman.

We really won't know either way until he does actually get traded and for what.

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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2014, 02:28:05 PM »
Yes - Staal won a Cup. That's why he's going to cost more than a bunch of spare parts and healthy scratches for any team that wants him.

Dude, come on, you're not helping your troll reputation here. You're free to argue that Gardiner wouldn't get you Staal, but Jake's trade value isn't that of a healthy scratch.

You guys call me a troll for being an ass about a lot of ridiculous proposals and statements that are made around here that are so far outside the realities of the NHL and hockey world it's scary. Really I don't give a f - a lot of you need to be brought back to planet earth.

Bear ATM the proof is in the pudding! Has he or has he not been a healthy scratch since the Leafs started out 0-2 with him in the lineup?

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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2014, 02:29:41 PM »
In the playoffs Staal is PPG, Spezza is just slightly under. Spezza may have a lower hit now but he's due for a new contract after this season. You get two years of Staal if you trade for him - that's going to affect his value. He's not a rental.

In this case, we're also looking at a mid-season deal, which makes things much more complicated in terms of navigating the cap, which, in turn, impacts the interest teams have in getting a deal done and what they're willing to give up. The extra year on the Staal's deal with the cap hit that's attached to it doesn't really do a whole lot to improve his value right now.
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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2014, 02:31:50 PM »
Yes - Staal won a Cup. That's why he's going to cost more than a bunch of spare parts and healthy scratches for any team that wants him.

Except that winning the Cup really only adds value in the eyes of the fans - especially when it's something that happened almost a decade ago. He didn't win the Cup on his own. He only gets so much credit for being part of a Cup winning team, even if he was a big part of it.
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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2014, 02:35:46 PM »
Yes - Staal won a Cup. That's why he's going to cost more than a bunch of spare parts and healthy scratches for any team that wants him.

Except that winning the Cup really only adds value in the eyes of the fans - especially when it's something that happened almost a decade ago. He didn't win the Cup on his own. He only gets so much credit for being part of a Cup winning team, even if he was a big part of it.

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« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2014, 02:38:05 PM »
Nice shovel

Just borrowing yours. Thought I needed some help me dig down to your level.
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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2014, 02:38:24 PM »
You get two years of Staal if you trade for him - that's going to affect his value. He's not a rental.

Two years at a bad cap hit is not better than one year at a good one. Especially for a team like the Leafs who are against it pretty tight.

We really won't know either way until he does actually get traded and for what.

Well, that's true but that's why I wouldn't walk into a thread like this talking about what it will and won't take. But trolling is as trolling does, I suppose.
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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2014, 02:41:28 PM »
u guys call me a troll for being an ass about a lot of ridiculous proposals and statements that are made around here that are so far outside the realities of the NHL and hockey world it's scary. Really I don't give a f - a lot of you need to be brought back to planet earth.

Stop the presses! A trade proposal on a fan forum favours the home team! The majority of posters on a TML fan forum are biased towards the Toronto Maple Leafs!

Also, go on a general hockey forum and ask them if Kyle Turris is "elite" or if Curis Lazar is the "leagues best prospect" and see how far outside the realities of the NHL and hockey world you are.

Bear ATM the proof is in the pudding! Has he or has he not been a healthy scratch since the Leafs started out 0-2 with him in the lineup?

And Henrik Lundqvist has let in 12 goals in the past 2 games. Is he a 6.00 GAA goalie?

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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2014, 02:43:48 PM »
I don't understand why everyone figures you have to give up the world for some of these guys. Same as when the Thornton rumours were floating around. 30 year old center, personally think declining stats, big cap hit and battling injuries the last couple years. As much as I like him and it's exactly what we need maybe yes to acquiring him say 3-4 years ago. Don't think Kadris stats will be much different over the next few years and some people are saying Kadri, Gardiner or Rielly plus a first. Give me a break. Leafs do anything remotely close to this whole brass should be fired. If anything get rid of Phaneuf and his crappy contract and throw in something else and call it good. Wishful thinking. Don't understand why teams give up so much for older declining players. Think it's all based on what you've done not what have you done for me lately. If the Leafs give up too much and especially give up Rielly which I don't think they will I'm done with this team. All this venting and all just a rumour. Don't think it will happen.

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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2014, 02:47:23 PM »
a lot of ridiculous proposals and statements that are made around here that are so far outside the realities of the NHL and hockey world it's scary.

Alot of them are by you:

Kyle Turris (career high of 58 points) is close to elite or elite already

Chris Neil still being in the league somehow makes him a better player than Tucker was.

Curtis Lazar is perhaps the league's best prospect.

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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2014, 02:53:31 PM »
a lot of ridiculous proposals and statements that are made around here that are so far outside the realities of the NHL and hockey world it's scary.

Alot of them are by you:

Kyle Turris (career high of 58 points) is close to elite or elite already

Chris Neil still being in the league somehow makes him a better player than Tucker was.

Curtis Lazar is perhaps the league's best prospect.

Didn't you once say Karlsson was too small and would never amount to anything?

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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2014, 02:59:07 PM »
You guys call me a troll for being an ass about a lot of ridiculous proposals and statements that are made around here that are so far outside the realities of the NHL and hockey world it's scary. Really I don't give a f - a lot of you need to be brought back to planet earth.

People who were discussing Gardiner as the centrepiece of a trade for Staal didn't pull it out of the air. It's in reference to something that was discussed on TSN's panel last night that specifically mentioned him as a component. Despite that, nobody here said anything resembling Gardiner being sufficient on his own to land Staal.

And, honestly, you should be flattered when people give you the benefit of the doubt by calling you a troll in this context because you'd come off worse if you genuinely believed that Gardiner is a "healthy scratch" or that the Hurricanes winning the cup 8 years ago is going to be a significant issue when it comes to Staal's trade value.
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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2014, 03:22:52 PM »
Realistically Nonis / the Leafs don't have the balls to trade for true bonafide #1 center, they're just as happy with that guy who chews Kessel's food for him. Filling a glaring hole like that just brings more pressure and we all know how this lot reacts to pressure. Hey that guy - keep on chewing!

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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2014, 03:23:40 PM »
a lot of ridiculous proposals and statements that are made around here that are so far outside the realities of the NHL and hockey world it's scary.

Alot of them are by you:

Kyle Turris (career high of 58 points) is close to elite or elite already

Chris Neil still being in the league somehow makes him a better player than Tucker was.

Curtis Lazar is perhaps the league's best prospect.

Didn't you once say Karlsson was too small and would never amount to anything?

I don't recall saying anything like that, I've never really been one to dismiss a player due to their size.

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Re: Eric Staal in play?
« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2014, 03:23:40 PM »