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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2014, 06:31:16 PM »
It would be fair for you guys to say that the Leafs have better goaltending this season if they actually acquired someone new, but they didn't.

So players can't play to different levels or improve as time goes on?
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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2014, 06:37:07 PM »
It would be fair for you guys to say that the Leafs have better goaltending this season if they actually acquired someone new, but they didn't.

So players can't play to different levels or improve as time goes on?
That's fine, but please provide me with some quantifiable evidence which suggests they will be better.  IMO the notion that they will be better is overly optimistic nonsense.

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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2014, 06:38:34 PM »
No.  You're not making any sense.  They are the exact same goalies as last season.  They are not going to be magically better after the summer.  You and the OP are both delusional.  Yes Reimer had a bad year last season but that could be the reality of his play as a backup.  He seems to do better as a #1.  Carlyle ruined his confidence last year.

It would be fair for you guys to say that the Leafs have better goaltending this season if they actually acquired someone new, but they didn't.

So, it would be fair for them to say that, yet it's fair for you to say drivel such as "Carlyle ruined his confidence"?

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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2014, 06:39:57 PM »
No.  You're not making any sense.  They are the exact same goalies as last season.  They are not going to be magically better after the summer.  You and the OP are both delusional.  Yes Reimer had a bad year last season but that could be the reality of his play as a backup.  He seems to do better as a #1.  Carlyle ruined his confidence last year.

It would be fair for you guys to say that the Leafs have better goaltending this season if they actually acquired someone new, but they didn't.

So, it would be fair for them to say that, yet it's fair for you to say drivel such as "Carlyle ruined his confidence"?
I'm not the one making nonsense predictions so actually both of them and you as well are not being fair.

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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2014, 12:46:58 PM »
I think the Leafs take a big step this season. as for the playoffs, I also think we will get in.

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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2014, 12:57:03 PM »
If the Leafs are to be better, there is going to have to be:
no injury plagued season to Lupul;
Kadri with 25+ goals;
JVR and Kessel repeat offensive production;
one of Santorelli, Kontiola, Booth can supply secondary scoring;
a completely new defensive structure or a new coach


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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2014, 01:35:52 PM »
Which teams in the east could one say have gotten worse over the offseason?

Worse: I'd say possibly Detroit, Ottawa, Pittsburg and Boston (although the latter two still a playoff lock).

The Same: Flyers, Jersey, Montreal, Washington, Carolina are more or less the same team.

Better: Buffalo, Florida, Rangers, Columbus, and Tampa too, even without St. Louis.

Based on this, I see the Leafs at their usual no man's land range of squeaking into the playoffs on the high end, and drafting around 6 or 7 on the low end.

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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2014, 01:56:04 PM »
Just a little nitpick - if Columbus doesn't get Ryan Johansen under contract pretty early in the season (and, things don't sound particularly promising on that front),  I'd say they've definitely gotten worse, not better - especially with Horton out indefinitely with a back problem. Even with Johansen, I'm not sure they've really improved all that much.
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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2014, 02:28:17 PM »
Detroit's tough to peg too. They didn't add anybody, and they lost Alfredsson and Bertuzzi, so on paper you'd think they should be worse. But they managed to get 93 points last season while both Zetterberg and Datysuk only played half seasons because of injuries and cap problems kept Nyquist in the AHL for the first two months of the season. If they can get close to full seasons out of those 3 they'll definitely be a better team than last season.

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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2014, 02:30:52 PM »
Which teams in the east could one say have gotten worse over the offseason?

Worse: I'd say possibly Detroit, Ottawa, Pittsburg and Boston (although the latter two still a playoff lock).

The Same: Flyers, Jersey, Montreal, Washington, Carolina are more or less the same team.

Better: Buffalo, Florida, Rangers, Columbus, and Tampa too, even without St. Louis.

Based on this, I see the Leafs at their usual no man's land range of squeaking into the playoffs on the high end, and drafting around 6 or 7 on the low end.

The Islanders should also be in the "better" category.

Anyways, I think the bigger question would be where the Leafs would fit into that and I think that if you're going to look at teams like Washington and Montreal, both of which added multiple players who are likely to play bigger roles than anyone the Leafs added, as teams who are "the same" then the Leafs should probably be in that group as well.
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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2014, 02:33:23 PM »
Detroit's tough to peg too. They didn't add anybody, and they lost Alfredsson and Bertuzzi, so on paper you'd think they should be worse. But they managed to get 93 points last season while both Zetterberg and Datysuk only played half seasons because of injuries and cap problems kept Nyquist in the AHL for the first two months of the season. If they can get close to full seasons out of those 3 they'll definitely be a better team than last season.

Not to mention that provided that Anthony Mantha isn't out too long he's a lot of people's pick to win the Calder.
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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2014, 02:37:54 PM »
Not to mention that provided that Anthony Mantha isn't out too long he's a lot of people's pick to win the Calder.

Oh, right, I try to forget he exists (picked one spot ahead of Gauthier). But yeah, he could definitely make an impact if the Wings decide to let him stay up.

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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2014, 03:03:32 PM »
3. Key young players, Gardiner, Rielly, Kadri will take the next step. It would be nice to see Frattin join that group.

Frattin will be 27 in January, he's not really that young anymore.  Odds are there's not a ton of upside left for him to attain.

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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2014, 03:49:05 PM »
3. Key young players, Gardiner, Rielly, Kadri will take the next step. It would be nice to see Frattin join that group.

Frattin will be 27 in January, he's not really that young anymore.  Odds are there's not a ton of upside left for him to attain.

Given his limited pro experience I think it's reasonable to hope for some improvement, but yeah, his improvements at this point are more likely to be in the "more well rounded player" setting, rather than actually being that much better of a player.  His offensive zone awareness might get a tad better, his defensive play might improve, but he's not going to suddenly turn into a 40-50 point winger.

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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2014, 03:58:18 PM »
If they can get close to full seasons out of those 3 they'll definitely be a better team than last season.

Definitely tough to peg - but I think after every year that goes by, the odds of Franzen, Datsyuk, Zetterburg playing a full season goes down. Weiss should have a handicapped parking spot at the joe.

They lost Legwand to free agency, Alfredsson was I think their top pointgetter last year? The D is only as good as it is due to Babcock, rather than high end talent, IMO. And I've never been a Howard fan. I think he's been sheltered by a possession system before teams really started figuring it out with all this stats focus.

Love watching the wings, but I think they'll look seriously at moving one or two of those top 3 aging contracts. This would certainly be the draft year to try.

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Re: Why the Leafs will be better...
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2014, 03:58:18 PM »