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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2014, 10:27:32 AM »
Oh, I fully expect Orr and McLaren to be given every opportunity to take the 12 and 13th forward spots away from Ashton and Bodie. Yes, on one hand, we've had members of the Leafs' front office talk about how important it is to have a 4th line that can contribute and play real minutes, but, on the other hand, we've had other members talk about how injuries limited Orr and McLaren's effectiveness last season and talk up their supposed impact in 12/13.
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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2014, 10:34:32 AM »
Well, ok but leaving aside that what Nonis said could be interpreted in a bunch of different ways(that the 4th line has to play better, that the 4th line has to play more regardless of who's on it) Carlyle is still ultimately the guy who's going to make the line-up on a day to day basis. I buy that Carlyle getting fired might lead to a wholescale change in philosophy but so long as Shanahan/Nonis choose to keep Carlyle as their coach I think we need to be prepared for some of Carlyle's thought process on the composition of the team to survive the summer.

I expect Orr to still be on the roster and he'll play in games where Carlyle feels like he needs a more physical presence in the line-up. But I just can't see McLaren getting out of training camp. Not with the amount of bottom-6 guys the team has brought in this summer. It would require one of Ashton, Frattin, or Bodie to be waived or traded, and while none of those guys are exactly locks to make a NHL team, they're head and shoulders above McLaren.

I don't disagree with any of that intellectually but I would have been here last year saying more or less the same thing about Orr or McLaren's spot on the roster vs. Colborne's. I wouldn't bet my life savings on both guys making the team or Orr playing in the majority of games or anything but if I had to lean one way or the other I'd say that the team will still break in that direction.
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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2014, 12:12:45 PM »
And that's partly on the players too. If Ashton and Frattin and Bodie come and blow away the coaches, then they'll earn their time. They just need that opportunity to play.

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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2014, 12:43:02 PM »
Colton Orr's last NHL goal - assists to Fraser and McLaren. How awesome is that?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP8XMHF_u8o[/youtube]

And I'm pretty sure this will be his last goal in the NHL.

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« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2014, 12:49:13 PM »
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=534307

Gord Strate, a defenseman who played 61 games during parts of three seasons with Detroit in the late 1950s and never managed a point. No other player has skated in as many games without managing at least one point -- the runner-up is Frank "Frosty" Peters, who went 43 games without a point, all in 1930-31.

I think this is Orr's record now. He's gone 69 regular season games without a point, 76 if you include the playoffs.

How is he still in the NHL?

Edit: I think I misunderstood the record - it's most games played without recording a point at all in the NHL.
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« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2014, 01:40:23 PM »
Colton Orr's last NHL goal - assists to Fraser and McLaren. How awesome is that?

And I'm pretty sure this will be his last goal in the NHL.

That is what they weren't doing last year.... ever.  I was hoping for that energy but only saw those stupid staged fights trying to show everyone that they were intimidating goons.  Orr was so slow last year it was shocking.  After seeing Orr play hard against Chara in the playoffs I thought the meat head hockey was gone from the Leafs.  Oh well.

If McLaren and Orr were skating hard, hitting everyone hard and trying to get pucks at the opposition's net like Bodie and Ashton then I would take the player who can fight as a heavyweight.   If the only thing the other player has going for them is they can fight then I would take the players who skate hard, hit and try to get pucks at the opposition's net.

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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2014, 02:23:12 PM »
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=534307

Gord Strate, a defenseman who played 61 games during parts of three seasons with Detroit in the late 1950s and never managed a point. No other player has skated in as many games without managing at least one point -- the runner-up is Frank "Frosty" Peters, who went 43 games without a point, all in 1930-31.

I think this is Orr's record now. He's gone 69 regular season games without a point, 76 if you include the playoffs.

How is he still in the NHL?

Edit: I think I misunderstood the record - it's most games played without recording a point at all in the NHL.

Yup. I'm pretty sure the streak for most games without a point is significantly longer, but, I'm having trouble finding an exact number. The streak for consecutive regular season games between goals sits at Ken Daneyko's impressive 255 game drought.
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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2014, 03:40:22 PM »
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=534307

Gord Strate, a defenseman who played 61 games during parts of three seasons with Detroit in the late 1950s and never managed a point. No other player has skated in as many games without managing at least one point -- the runner-up is Frank "Frosty" Peters, who went 43 games without a point, all in 1930-31.

I think this is Orr's record now. He's gone 69 regular season games without a point, 76 if you include the playoffs.

How is he still in the NHL?

Edit: I think I misunderstood the record - it's most games played without recording a point at all in the NHL.

Yup. I'm pretty sure the streak for most games without a point is significantly longer, but, I'm having trouble finding an exact number. The streak for consecutive regular season games between goals sits at Ken Daneyko's impressive 255 game drought.

Judged on a goals per game basis, Colton Orr still scores at a lower rate than Daneyko.
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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2014, 03:54:06 PM »
Judged on a goals per game basis, Colton Orr still scores at a lower rate than Daneyko.

Amazing how Orr can't even make the leap over that low bar.
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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2014, 04:15:19 PM »
Judged on a goals per game basis, Colton Orr still scores at a lower rate than Daneyko.

Amazing how Orr can't even make the leap over that low bar.

Well, to me that speaks more to Daneyko... how the hell is he the Devil's franchise leader in Games Played??
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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2014, 04:21:57 PM »
Judged on a goals per game basis, Colton Orr still scores at a lower rate than Daneyko.

Amazing how Orr can't even make the leap over that low bar.

Glad the Leafs have 2 players on this illustrious list of the past 2 seasons.

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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2014, 06:35:35 PM »
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=534307

Gord Strate, a defenseman who played 61 games during parts of three seasons with Detroit in the late 1950s and never managed a point. No other player has skated in as many games without managing at least one point -- the runner-up is Frank "Frosty" Peters, who went 43 games without a point, all in 1930-31.

I think this is Orr's record now. He's gone 69 regular season games without a point, 76 if you include the playoffs.

How is he still in the NHL?

Edit: I think I misunderstood the record - it's most games played without recording a point at all in the NHL.

Yup. I'm pretty sure the streak for most games without a point is significantly longer, but, I'm having trouble finding an exact number. The streak for consecutive regular season games between goals sits at Ken Daneyko's impressive 255 game drought.

Judged on a goals per game basis, Colton Orr still scores at a lower rate than Daneyko.

Good glue guy in the dressing room.  Good defensively.  Knew his role.  Never expected to be overpaid for his contributions.  He was very good at what he did.  He's also a fantastic reason why junior hockey point production means very little (It's all about the context of the production).  He had 60 points in 69 games in his last full season of junior hockey and 34 points in 19 games in his last foray into junior hockey the next year.

My concern won't be abetted until we have an opening day roster with both Orr/McLaren either in the minors or clearly as the 13th forward.  You can't take away all of Randy's beloved toys and still have him "running" the show.  No dressing room would listen to him if he's just parroting words from above.  Management took away his assistants, they took away his system, they can't take away his lineup decisions.

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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2014, 06:52:26 PM »
What about PP lines?  I would really like to see Clarkson on the 2nd unit in front of the net scoring dirty goals which is which a lot of his goals came when he scored 30 plus.

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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2014, 07:21:44 PM »
What about PP lines?  I would really like to see Clarkson on the 2nd unit in front of the net scoring dirty goals which is which a lot of his goals came when he scored 30 plus.

I've wondered a bit lately how the team is going to handle Bozak's specialty team minutes. It doesn't really look like we're going to be replacing McClement externally, so Bozak will probably be looking at a pretty big bump in PK minutes. And considering that Bozak was already one of the highest played forwards in the league last season, I'm not sure he can take those extra minutes without dropping some elsewhere. Since Bozak struggled to produce on the powerplay last season (6th among forwards in points, 8 PP points in 58 games) I'd consider dropping him off the powerplay entirely. Kadri was very good on the powerplay last season despite getting 2nd unit minutes, and Kontiola should definitely be getting minutes on the PP as well. I think I'd run something like this:

JVR-Kadri-Kessel
Gardiner-Phaneuf

Lupul-Kontiola-Clarkson/Frattin
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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2014, 08:05:53 PM »
What about PP lines?  I would really like to see Clarkson on the 2nd unit in front of the net scoring dirty goals which is which a lot of his goals came when he scored 30 plus.

I've wondered a bit lately how the team is going to handle Bozak's specialty team minutes. It doesn't really look like we're going to be replacing McClement externally, so Bozak will probably be looking at a pretty big bump in PK minutes. And considering that Bozak was already one of the highest played forwards in the league last season, I'm not sure he can take those extra minutes without dropping some elsewhere. Since Bozak struggled to produce on the powerplay last season (6th among forwards in points, 8 PP points in 58 games) I'd consider dropping him off the powerplay entirely. Kadri was very good on the powerplay last season despite getting 2nd unit minutes, and Kontiola should definitely be getting minutes on the PP as well. I think I'd run something like this:

JVR-Kadri-Kessel
Gardiner-Phaneuf

Lupul-Kontiola-Clarkson/Frattin
Rielly-Franson

I like Kadri on the 1st unit as well except his face offs are not as good as Bozak. 

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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2014, 08:05:53 PM »