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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2014, 11:13:20 AM »
Perhaps Carlyle knows exactly what he's doing.  I remember having a few people under me.  I started out giving the the harder difficult jobs to the stronger workers and the easy to the weaker.  It was the best production one could hope for.  But what I ended up with is slackers getting away with it.  So I did the exact opposite, put people in a position to cause failure.  Management wants to know what's going on.  I told them see for themselves because I've already told them but they didn't listen.  It was the only way I could influence personal changes.
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2014, 08:48:34 PM »

But I swear I read/heard an interview with Nonis or someone this summer stating that the 4th line has to be able to play, and it struck me as different than what I'd heard in the past.  But maybe I'm just remembering wrong.

Did Nonis not say something similar in his July 1st press conference?

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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2014, 11:09:54 PM »
If Reimer goes, anyone up for giving Markstrom the backup gig?

I think I'd probably prefer him to Brodeur at this stage.

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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2014, 08:09:54 AM »
If Reimer goes, anyone up for giving Markstrom the backup gig?

I think I'd probably prefer him to Brodeur at this stage.

Depends on what we have to trade to get him.
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2014, 08:38:56 AM »
Depends on what we have to trade to get him.

Miller and Lack are ahead of him, and he has to clear waivers to go to the AHL. Considering how few teams actually need goalies, I'd be shocked if he went for anything above a 4th round draft pick.

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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2014, 09:15:01 AM »

But I swear I read/heard an interview with Nonis or someone this summer stating that the 4th line has to be able to play, and it struck me as different than what I'd heard in the past.  But maybe I'm just remembering wrong.

Did Nonis not say something similar in his July 1st press conference?

Well, ok but leaving aside that what Nonis said could be interpreted in a bunch of different ways(that the 4th line has to play better, that the 4th line has to play more regardless of who's on it) Carlyle is still ultimately the guy who's going to make the line-up on a day to day basis. I buy that Carlyle getting fired might lead to a wholescale change in philosophy but so long as Shanahan/Nonis choose to keep Carlyle as their coach I think we need to be prepared for some of Carlyle's thought process on the composition of the team to survive the summer.
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2014, 09:28:51 AM »
Well, ok but leaving aside that what Nonis said could be interpreted in a bunch of different ways(that the 4th line has to play better, that the 4th line has to play more regardless of who's on it) Carlyle is still ultimately the guy who's going to make the line-up on a day to day basis. I buy that Carlyle getting fired might lead to a wholescale change in philosophy but so long as Shanahan/Nonis choose to keep Carlyle as their coach I think we need to be prepared for some of Carlyle's thought process on the composition of the team to survive the summer.

I expect Orr to still be on the roster and he'll play in games where Carlyle feels like he needs a more physical presence in the line-up. But I just can't see McLaren getting out of training camp. Not with the amount of bottom-6 guys the team has brought in this summer. It would require one of Ashton, Frattin, or Bodie to be waived or traded, and while none of those guys are exactly locks to make a NHL team, they're head and shoulders above McLaren.

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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2014, 09:31:22 AM »
I expect Orr to still be on the roster and he'll play in games where Carlyle feels like he needs a more physical presence in the line-up. But I just can't see McLaren getting out of training camp. Not with the amount of bottom-6 guys the team has brought in this summer. It would require one of Ashton, Frattin, or Bodie to be waived or traded, and while none of those guys are exactly locks to make a NHL team, they're head and shoulders above McLaren.

Just don't see how either fits at all if everyone's healthy (I know you could have said that last year too):

http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/34852

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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2014, 09:32:20 AM »
Just don't see how either fits at all if everyone's healthy (I know you could have said that last year too):

http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/34852

I know it's weird because we're not exactly used to it, but we have the cap space to carry a 23-man roster.

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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2014, 09:32:44 AM »
I suspect Orr will be on the team too, but I also expect a lot of scratches for him. If he gets more than 25 games, I'll be surprised and obviously disappointed.

With Bodie on the team, McLaren and Orr are completely redundant. Mind you, I think they're obsolete regardless of who's the team. On the 4th line, I think it's not unreasonable to expect a player to hit at least 10-15 pts.

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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2014, 09:35:42 AM »
Just don't see how either fits at all if everyone's healthy (I know you could have said that last year too):

http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/34852

I know it's weird because we're not exactly used to it, but we have the cap space to carry a 23-man roster.

I just don't know who you take out of that lineup as presented for him on any night really.  Notwithstanding the fact that there may be more moves coming that could affect the forward group.

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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2014, 09:39:31 AM »
I just don't know who you take out of that lineup as presented for him on any night really.  Notwithstanding the fact that there may be more moves coming that could affect the forward group.

It's not exactly a move I would make, but I can see Carlyle basically rotating Bodie, Ashton, Frattin, and Orr all in and out of the two 4th line wing spots. Injuries are also inevitable.

Like Bullfrog said though too, I do expect Orr to be the most frequent healthy scratch of that group.

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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2014, 09:41:12 AM »
I just don't know who you take out of that lineup as presented for him on any night really.  Notwithstanding the fact that there may be more moves coming that could affect the forward group.

It's not exactly a move I would make, but I can see Carlyle basically rotating Bodie, Ashton, Frattin, and Orr all in and out of the two 4th line wing spots. Injuries are also inevitable.

Like Bullfrog said though too, I do expect Orr to be the most frequent healthy scratch of that group.

It annoys me if he even gets into 1 game based on his play the last, what is it, almost 90 games?  I don't even care if he has no impact on the particular game, it's the principle of it my good man!

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« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2014, 09:46:23 AM »
I agree completely. I don't see anything that he brings to a game that would ever make me think "good choice to scratch Ashton for Orr."

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« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2014, 09:49:00 AM »
I suspect Orr will be on the team too, but I also expect a lot of scratches for him. If he gets more than 25 games, I'll be surprised and obviously disappointed.

With Bodie on the team, McLaren and Orr are completely redundant. Mind you, I think they're obsolete regardless of who's the team. On the 4th line, I think it's not unreasonable to expect a player to hit at least 10-15 pts.

I do agree with your thinking, but RC is a dinosaur so I unfortunately think one of the meat bags with make the team which will be a shame.

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Re: 2014-2015 Toronto Maple Leaf line-ups.
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2014, 09:49:00 AM »