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Re: 2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread
« Reply #90 on: January 29, 2015, 01:54:05 PM »
That's what I remember them being at last time I checked too.

edit: was that counting Nylander in Sweden? I'm not sure if we ever truly figured out if he counted or not, but I guess he would now.

That's not including Nylander. His situation is unclear. Because he's a slide risk and still junior eligible, I don't think he counts until he actually joins the NHL roster, but, I really don't know for sure. If he does, then they're at 50.

I think he counts once he plays 11 games in the AHL, based on a quick google search.

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Re: 2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread
« Reply #91 on: January 29, 2015, 02:25:44 PM »
I remember looking into this now. I think the distinction was Nylander had to be returned to a junior club for him to be removed from the reserve list. If he was still playing professional hockey somewhere (NHL, AHL, Europe) he counts.

I vaguely remember that coming up, but, I also feel like there was some confusion there, too. Since playing in the AHL doesn't burn off a year of his contract unless he plays in the NHL as well (for 10 games, I believe), his contract is still considered to be "sliding." I have a hard time believing a contract that isn't being impacted would still be considered a contract on the reserve list.
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Re: 2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread
« Reply #92 on: January 29, 2015, 02:36:58 PM »
I remember looking into this now. I think the distinction was Nylander had to be returned to a junior club for him to be removed from the reserve list. If he was still playing professional hockey somewhere (NHL, AHL, Europe) he counts.

I vaguely remember that coming up, but, I also feel like there was some confusion there, too. Since playing in the AHL doesn't burn off a year of his contract unless he plays in the NHL as well (for 10 games, I believe), his contract is still considered to be "sliding." I have a hard time believing a contract that isn't being impacted would still be considered a contract on the reserve list.

Does it have to do with the fact that he's under 20?  I thought I recalled reading something that Nylander's deal would slide in the AHL/not count against 50 limit until he turned 20.

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Re: 2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread
« Reply #93 on: January 29, 2015, 02:40:52 PM »
Does it have to do with the fact that he's under 20?  I thought I recalled reading something that Nylander's deal would slide in the AHL/not count against 50 limit until he turned 20.

His contract is definitely sliding as long as he doesn't play 11 NHL games, there's just some confusion over whether or not he counts against the Leafs 50-contract reserve list. The CBA is a little vague on that.

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Re: 2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread
« Reply #94 on: January 29, 2015, 02:43:38 PM »
I vaguely remember that coming up, but, I also feel like there was some confusion there, too. Since playing in the AHL doesn't burn off a year of his contract unless he plays in the NHL as well (for 10 games, I believe), his contract is still considered to be "sliding." I have a hard time believing a contract that isn't being impacted would still be considered a contract on the reserve list.

Well assigning a player to juniors is different than assigning him to the AHL or Europe though. The Leafs loaned him to Modo, and were able to recall him back to the NHL. If they sent him to Mississauga they couldn't have done that until his OHL season was over.

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Re: 2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread
« Reply #95 on: January 29, 2015, 02:50:48 PM »
Does it have to do with the fact that he's under 20?  I thought I recalled reading something that Nylander's deal would slide in the AHL/not count against 50 limit until he turned 20.

His contract is definitely sliding as long as he doesn't play 11 NHL games, there's just some confusion over whether or not he counts against the Leafs 50-contract reserve list. The CBA is a little vague on that.

Hmm, well now this makes me think his contract does count against the 50 contract limit:



"Age 18 and 19 players who were returned to Juniors, and who have not played 11 NHL games in one season, shall be exempt from inclusion in the 50 player limit."

The "and" leads me to believe it would count because even if he doesn't play 11 NHL games he doesn't satisfy the "returned to junior" part.

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« Reply #96 on: January 29, 2015, 02:52:33 PM »
The "and" leads me to believe it would count because even if he doesn't play 11 NHL games he doesn't satisfy the "returned to junior" part.

Right. That's where I'm at too. Just judging from the language here the slide rule and the 50-contract exemption have similar but not the same guidelines. They could have just left it at "doesn't play 11 NHL games".

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Re: 2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread
« Reply #97 on: January 29, 2015, 04:05:28 PM »
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James Mirtle @mirtle    2 minutes ago
Leafs actually can't claim anyone on waivers now as they're at the 50 contract max. Bit of a shame but not unusual situation.

Well there it is.

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« Reply #98 on: January 29, 2015, 04:11:17 PM »
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James Mirtle @mirtle    2 minutes ago
Leafs actually can't claim anyone on waivers now as they're at the 50 contract max. Bit of a shame but not unusual situation.

Well there it is.

Hooray for 2 year contracts for Colton Orr and Frazer McLaren!

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Re: 2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread
« Reply #99 on: January 29, 2015, 04:14:42 PM »
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James Mirtle @mirtle    2 minutes ago
Leafs actually can't claim anyone on waivers now as they're at the 50 contract max. Bit of a shame but not unusual situation.

Well there it is.

Hooray for 2 year contracts for Colton Orr and Frazer McLaren!

Couldn't they just release either guy?
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« Reply #100 on: January 29, 2015, 04:17:08 PM »
Although now I've confused myself a little bit. Mirtle says that the Leafs are at 50 contracts, and that he's 100% sure of that.

That would mean that Nylander's contract would have only started counting against the list when he returned to North America. Because if it counted while he was in Sweden the Leafs would have been over 50 contracts before November 20th when Kontiola's contract was terminated.

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Re: 2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread
« Reply #101 on: January 29, 2015, 04:18:37 PM »
Couldn't they just release either guy?

Contract terminations have to be mutually agreed upon. Those guys aren't giving up what's left of their final NHL contracts.

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Re: 2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread
« Reply #102 on: January 29, 2015, 04:20:39 PM »
Why don't they work out a trade if they want the guy?

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Re: 2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread
« Reply #103 on: January 29, 2015, 04:26:25 PM »
Couldn't they just release either guy?

Contract terminations have to be mutually agreed upon. Those guys aren't giving up what's left of their final NHL contracts.

But that doesn't even make sense. The whole point of the 50 contract limit, the way I understood it, is to not let teams stash players. If you released those guys, and kept paying them whatever they were owed, then it wouldn't have cap implications and nobody would be being stashed.

The NHL has, by far, the dumbest CBA in sports.
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Re: 2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread
« Reply #104 on: January 29, 2015, 04:27:19 PM »
Although now I've confused myself a little bit. Mirtle says that the Leafs are at 50 contracts, and that he's 100% sure of that.

That would mean that Nylander's contract would have only started counting against the list when he returned to North America. Because if it counted while he was in Sweden the Leafs would have been over 50 contracts before November 20th when Kontiola's contract was terminated.

Would it be the same as any other Jr.-aged player signed?  Until he plays in NHL or AHL or is on the roster the contract wouldn't count?  So he had a contract with the Swedish team like a jr. player would have with their team - then when the release was triggered and he came to the AHL then it began to count.

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Re: 2014-2015 NHL Waivers/ Buyout Thread
« Reply #104 on: January 29, 2015, 04:27:19 PM »