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Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2014, 01:52:21 PM »
But would he take a job from a kid or would he take a job from a vet who isn't delivering?

Well, I think that's what is being discussed. While from a cap perspective he might take the place of a Phaneuf or, ideally, Gleason I think his skill set indicates he's more likely to be used in the sort of minutes that, ideally, Rielly or Gardiner will be playing.

If the idea behind signing him is that he replaces, say, Franson and he's a 5/6 guy on the second unit PP I don't think anyone would object, the problem is whether or not he wants that sort of role or whether that sort of role is worth his likely asking price.
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Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2014, 02:05:37 PM »
Well it should be noted this past season seems to be the only one in his career (at least in recent memory) that he didn't average at least 1:00 of PK time per game.  I'm sure he could still do it, I don't know the reasoning for him not this past season.

I think he could be used effectively on the 2nd PK unit, but a part of my offseason plan would be to find somebody who can take Dion's minutes from the top unit. And that guy isn't Boyle. With that said, if we could fit both under the cap I think Boyle and Stralman could give us a pretty solid top-6:

Gardiner-Phaneuf
Gunnarsson-Stralman
Rielly-Boyle

Gunnarsson and Stralman would handle the tough minutes, which then allows the other two pairings to run wild possession-wise against the lesser competition. The special team units would look like this:

PP:
Gardiner-Phaneuf
Boyle-Rielly

PK:
Gunnarsson-Stralman
Phaneuf-Boyle

The question then swings back around to what we've basically been talking about, value. Is Boyle at $5mil worth it? To be honest with you, I think I may have talked myself into it through this post assuming we get a Stralman or Fayne first.

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Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2014, 02:07:14 PM »
I'm still convinced Boyle wants to be a Ranger above all, but wanted to give it the olde college try:

Gleason bought out
Reimer + Franson to Winnipeg for Clitsome and picks.
UFAs signed: R.Vrbata, B.Boyle, D.Boyle, D.Moore, T.Greiss

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.900m) / Radim Vrbata ($4.500m)
Josh Leivo ($0.793m) / Peter Holland ($1.300m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Jerry D'Amigo ($0.900m) / Brian Boyle ($2.500m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m)
Colton Orr ($0.925m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.500m) / Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.500m) / Grant Clitsome ($2.067m)
Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m) / Morgan Rielly ($0.894m)
Petter Granberg ($0.800m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
Thomas Greiss ($1.200m)
BUYOUTS
Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m)
Tim Gleason ($0.833m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,111,667; BONUSES: $1,082,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,988,333
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Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2014, 02:13:40 PM »
Well it should be noted this past season seems to be the only one in his career (at least in recent memory) that he didn't average at least 1:00 of PK time per game.  I'm sure he could still do it, I don't know the reasoning for him not this past season.

I think he could be used effectively on the 2nd PK unit, but a part of my offseason plan would be to find somebody who can take Dion's minutes from the top unit. And that guy isn't Boyle. With that said, if we could fit both under the cap I think Boyle and Stralman could give us a pretty solid top-6:

Gardiner-Phaneuf
Gunnarsson-Stralman
Rielly-Boyle

Gunnarsson and Stralman would handle the tough minutes, which then allows the other two pairings to run wild possession-wise against the lesser competition. The special team units would look like this:

PP:
Gardiner-Phaneuf
Boyle-Rielly

PK:
Gunnarsson-Stralman
Phaneuf-Boyle

The question then swings back around to what we've basically been talking about, value. Is Boyle at $5mil worth it? To be honest with you, I think I may have talked myself into it through this post assuming we get a Stralman or Fayne first.

I'm lazy - does that work cap wise?  It looks good to me, especially those PP D combos.

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Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2014, 02:14:12 PM »
Wanted to see if Stralman/Boyle would be possible under the cap. I re-signed Gardiner to a $3mil bridge deal (which will expire when Boyle's contract is up), bought out Gleason, plugged in random cheap back-up goalie, and signed D'Amigo/Ashton/Holland to their QOs.

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CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.900m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Peter Holland ($0.851m) / Carter Ashton ($0.851m)
Jerry D'Amigo ($0.851m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Jake Gardiner ($3.000m) / Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m)
Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m) / Anton Stralman ($4.500m)
Dan Boyle ($5.000m) / Morgan Rielly ($0.894m)
Korbinian Holzer ($0.788m) /

GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
Justin Peters ($1.000m)

BUYOUTS
Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m)
Tim Gleason ($0.833m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,466,500; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (18-man roster): $9,633,500

$9mil to fill in the bottom-6, which should be more than enough assuming we don't go after any big names.

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Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2014, 02:54:18 PM »
Wanted to see if Stralman/Boyle would be possible under the cap. I re-signed Gardiner to a $3mil bridge deal (which will expire when Boyle's contract is up), bought out Gleason, plugged in random cheap back-up goalie, and signed D'Amigo/Ashton/Holland to their QOs.

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CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.900m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Peter Holland ($0.851m) / Carter Ashton ($0.851m)
Jerry D'Amigo ($0.851m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Jake Gardiner ($3.000m) / Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m)
Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m) / Anton Stralman ($4.500m)
Dan Boyle ($5.000m) / Morgan Rielly ($0.894m)
Korbinian Holzer ($0.788m) /

GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
Justin Peters ($1.000m)

BUYOUTS
Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m)
Tim Gleason ($0.833m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,466,500; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (18-man roster): $9,633,500

$9mil to fill in the bottom-6, which should be more than enough assuming we don't go after any big names.

And after subtracting $2.4 for Komarov, that still leaves us $6.6 for the other two players! :-D

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Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2014, 12:58:50 AM »
FORWARDS
JVR ($4.250m) / Bozak ($4.200m) / Kessel ($8.000m)
Lupul ($5.250m) / Kadri ($2.900m) / Kulemin ($3.800m)
Leivo ($0.793m) / Holland ($1.251m) / Clarkson ($5.250m)
M Martin ($1.000m) / B Boyle ($2.700m) / L Komarov ($2.500m)
Jerry D'Amigo ($0.851m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m) / Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m)
Jake Gardiner ($2.827m) / Johnny Boychuk ($3.367m)
Morgan Rielly ($0.894m) / Mike Weaver ($2.000m)
Paul Ranger ($1.200m) / Petter Granberg ($0.800m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
Justin Peters ($1.038m)

BUYOUTS
Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m)

RETAINED SALARIES (1.41% of upper limit)
Tim Gleason ($1.000m25.00%)

SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,918,708; BONUSES: $1,082,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,081,292

PP 1

JVR, Bozak, Kessel
Gardiner, Phaneuf

PP 2

Lupul, Kadri, Kulemin/someone
Rielly, Ranger

PK 1

Bozak, Kulemin
Gunnar, Boychuk

PK 2

Boyle Komarov
Ranger Weaver

Trade for Martin and Boychuk, sign Boyle, Komarov, Weaver, Peters, retain some space with Gleason. If Phaneuf were to be traded, bring in Dan Boyle and move Boychuk up in es toi. Trade off some other players...
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Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2014, 11:19:10 AM »
We spend a lot of time talking about what we want to see happen, how about the opposite? What's the worst-case scenario for this summer? Draft Ritchie over a skilled player and sign a trio of mediocre players with intangibles (Brodeur/Orpik/Bolland or Thornton)?

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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2014, 11:22:58 AM »
We spend a lot of time talking about what we want to see happen, how about the opposite? What's the worst-case scenario for this summer? Draft Ritchie over a skilled player and sign a trio of mediocre players with intangibles (Brodeur/Orpik/Bolland or Thornton)?

I wouldn't say drafting Ritchie is not drafting a skilled player.

Just one scout's opinion from McKeen's here:

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Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2014, 11:25:13 AM »
I wouldn't say drafting Ritchie is not drafting a skilled player.

Yeah, he's not a Gauthier/Biggs type I know that. I should have said a more skilled player. I can stomach him if Nylander and Ehlers are both off the board, but if we pass on either of them I'll be very disappointed.

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Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2014, 11:34:37 AM »
We spend a lot of time talking about what we want to see happen, how about the opposite? What's the worst-case scenario for this summer? Draft Ritchie over a skilled player and sign a trio of mediocre players with intangibles (Brodeur/Orpik/Bolland or Thornton)?

I think worst case scenario would be drafting Haydn Fleury, actually. Of the players expected to go near the Leafs' pick, he's probably the least skilled and the most likely to be looked at as a guy who is "tough and has intangibles."
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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2014, 11:38:49 AM »
I think worst case scenario would be drafting Haydn Fleury, actually. Of the players expected to go near the Leafs' pick, he's probably the least skilled and the most likely to be looked at as a guy who is "tough and has intangibles."

I've never even considered the possibility. That'd be such a stretch, even for this group. But yeah you're right, that'd definitely kick off the "Worst offseason since the one we had last summer".

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Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2014, 11:42:10 AM »
We spend a lot of time talking about what we want to see happen, how about the opposite? What's the worst-case scenario for this summer? Draft Ritchie over a skilled player and sign a trio of mediocre players with intangibles (Brodeur/Orpik/Bolland or Thornton)?

I think worst case scenario would be drafting Haydn Fleury, actually. Of the players expected to go near the Leafs' pick, he's probably the least skilled and the most likely to be looked at as a guy who is "tough and has intangibles."

And yet, a crease-clearing, defence-first D man is exactly what the Leafs need. I wouldn't be all that surprised if they select Haydn.

Although I do recall reading somewhere that Shanahan is looking to get someone that is more high risk/high reward this year, so...
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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2014, 11:49:23 AM »
And yet, a crease-clearing, defence-first D man is exactly what the Leafs need. I wouldn't be all that surprised if they select Haydn.

Well, regardless of whether or nor I agree with that, those are not the type of players you draft with a top 10 pick - especially when you're talking about a guy who is projected to be a 2nd pairing type and will definitely not be the best player available at 8. The Leafs have plenty of 2nd and 3rd pairing prospects in the system right now. You also don't draft for immediate needs, because, well, you never expect a draft pick to be able to fill that need immediately. First and foremost, you draft the best player available, and, if there's any debate over who that may be, you then look at gaps in your prospect pool. For the Leafs, none of these things point to Fleury. None. Which is exactly why they will take him.
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Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2014, 11:55:03 AM »
It could get worse...

If Management actually, really view Kadri and Gardiner as less skilled than they are and trade them for something that we all collectively toss our cookies on. To me, that would be hard to stomach a scenario like that.

I'd like to keep them both for at least 2 more years, but if they do trade them, I hope we get some really good, younger pieces coming back. If we don't, well, that would be the worst for me, regardless of who we sign in free agency or draft.
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Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs
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