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« Reply #2640 on: June 14, 2018, 09:00:15 PM »
Nick Kypreos says he thinks both players are currently untradeable.  He could be right.  However I would be surprised if no one wants Karlsson.  He's an elite player.  Heck, the Leafs could use him.

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« Reply #2641 on: June 14, 2018, 09:18:47 PM »
Nick Kypreos says he thinks both players are currently untradeable.  He could be right.  However I would be surprised if no one wants Karlsson.  He's an elite player.  Heck, the Leafs could use him.
He may be untradeable based on the Sens asking price.

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« Reply #2642 on: June 14, 2018, 10:10:13 PM »
Nick Kypreos says he thinks both players are currently untradeable.  He could be right.  However I would be surprised if no one wants Karlsson.  He's an elite player.  Heck, the Leafs could use him.
He may be untradeable based on the Sens asking price.
Kypreos said he may be untradeable because the allegations are unproven and could be false.  He said teams need to know exactly what happened between the two players and their wives before taking either of them in a trade.

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« Reply #2643 on: June 14, 2018, 10:34:01 PM »
Id be willing to bet that the Karlsson's hired a PI to look into this matter before going to the authorities. As for Kypreos' comments. There isn't a gm who wouldn't take #65 right now for the right price.

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« Reply #2644 on: June 15, 2018, 01:03:04 AM »
Id be willing to bet that the Karlsson's hired a PI to look into this matter before going to the authorities. As for Kypreos' comments. There isn't a gm who wouldn't take #65 right now for the right price.

Yeah. I think to really buy that this would affect how Karlsson is seen you'd have to think there was a possibility not just that he and his wife are wrong but that they're acting in bad faith. Not only doesn't that seem likely but it also seems like if it were possible it would be the sort of thing that was known beforehand.
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« Reply #2648 on: June 15, 2018, 09:24:17 AM »
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« Reply #2649 on: June 15, 2018, 09:36:12 AM »
This whole scene reminds me of the 1990-1991 Leafs.  Wheels came off, rumours were rampant.  Team needed to be blown up.   I think Nik has a valid point.  Stuff like this starts at the top.  Organizations need to be run professionally.  I sometimes wonder if that was the real reason for bringing in a guy like Lou.  Not because Dubas didn't know how to do the hockey stuff, but maybe he didn't know how to do, or at least didn't have a lot of experience with, the non-hockey stuff. 
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« Reply #2650 on: June 15, 2018, 10:09:29 AM »

So to step back from the tabloid-y nature of all of this...is there anything to say about why this is going on? Is it just that Melnyk's a terrible owner? A freakish run of bad luck?

I've long maintained that the Sens' situation, where they claimed to not be profitable in any year they didn't make the playoffs but seemed to be forced by their owner to try and be profitable every year, was the least manageable organizational gameplan you could have. Does all the penny pinching lead to corner-cutting that leads to this sort of chaos? I know it's hard to connect the Karlsson-Hoffman stuff to the team but I can't help but feel that maybe a more professional environment wouldn't allow for that sort of thing.

This whole scene reminds me of the 1990-1991 Leafs.  Wheels came off, rumours were rampant.  Team needed to be blown up.   I think Nik has a valid point.  Stuff like this starts at the top.  Organizations need to be run professionally.  I sometimes wonder if that was the real reason for bringing in a guy like Lou.  Not because Dubas didn't know how to do the hockey stuff, but maybe he didn't know how to do, or at least didn't have a lot of experience with, the non-hockey stuff.

I think when you cut staffing down to the bone, everyone is forced into doing more than he or she can effectively carry for very long, and it looks like the 'organization' brushed away a lot of the little details and non-priorities to the point that it has compounded into a turd pile in the middle of their living room floor about 2 ft from the ceiling.

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« Reply #2651 on: June 15, 2018, 10:10:35 AM »
There isn't a gm who wouldn't take #65 right now for the right price.

Yup. He's an elite talent that won't have trouble finding a new team if/when he wants one. This personal stuff gets blown out of proportion. When teams are losing, it's headline news. When teams are doing well, it never seems to be an issue. If any GM is really spooked about acquiring because of this, that GM needs a new job.
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« Reply #2652 on: June 15, 2018, 10:16:03 AM »
Ugh my phone went haywire.

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« Reply #2654 on: June 15, 2018, 02:10:22 PM »

So to step back from the tabloid-y nature of all of this...is there anything to say about why this is going on? Is it just that Melnyk's a terrible owner? A freakish run of bad luck?

I've long maintained that the Sens' situation, where they claimed to not be profitable in any year they didn't make the playoffs but seemed to be forced by their owner to try and be profitable every year, was the least manageable organizational gameplan you could have. Does all the penny pinching lead to corner-cutting that leads to this sort of chaos? I know it's hard to connect the Karlsson-Hoffman stuff to the team but I can't help but feel that maybe a more professional environment wouldn't allow for that sort of thing.

This whole scene reminds me of the 1990-1991 Leafs.  Wheels came off, rumours were rampant.  Team needed to be blown up.   I think Nik has a valid point.  Stuff like this starts at the top.  Organizations need to be run professionally.  I sometimes wonder if that was the real reason for bringing in a guy like Lou.  Not because Dubas didn't know how to do the hockey stuff, but maybe he didn't know how to do, or at least didn't have a lot of experience with, the non-hockey stuff.

I think when you cut staffing down to the bone, everyone is forced into doing more than he or she can effectively carry for very long, and it looks like the 'organization' brushed away a lot of the little details and non-priorities to the point that it has compounded into a turd pile in the middle of their living room floor about 2 ft from the ceiling.

That might be the case.  The argument against that though may be that things ran rather smoothly when Brian Murray was there, and it's really only been since he passed away that things have really started to spiral out of control.  The front office has been run on a shoe string budget for a while.
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Re: Official Ottawa Senators Thread
« Reply #2654 on: June 15, 2018, 02:10:22 PM »