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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2014, 11:00:40 PM »
The epitome of work ethic. Shanny has won on every level. Why not?

Just because someone was a good player, doesn't mean they will be a good executive. Look at Kevin Lowe....

Look at Joe Sakic.

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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2014, 11:12:21 PM »
Don't really think hiring a president solves anything. Just adds more clutter to an already bloated front office. The Leafs have had a ton of people there, it hasn't really made them any better. They've struggled mightily despite the resources that they have at their disposal.

Hiring a name doesn't accomplish anything. The Leafs need people that are going to perform at a high level at their jobs. They clearly don't have enough of those people right now.

I agree completely, which is why if someone like Shanahan is hired I think there are wholesale changes in the organization, otherwise the move is pointless. If Shanny is lured to the Leafs quite a few heads will need to roll, namely Nonis, Carlyle, and a few in hockey operations.
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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2014, 12:32:12 AM »
Yeah. I'm not so sure that's true. Which professional sports team runs precisely in the manner I've described?

Leaving aside the fact that you should probably take something away from the fact that even the smartest franchises in sports don't run that way(and, let's be honest, "just hire all the best people" is not exactly a revolutionary concept) I can think of lots of franchises like the Redskins or Cowboys who've tried to go that route in recent years with very little in the way of success.
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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2014, 09:40:30 AM »
I'm on board with bringing in a president of hockey ops who would oversee the entire hockey structure.  The one reservation would be adding yet another layer to the management structure, but the team could use a guy at the top who will set the tone for the entire organization right on down through all levels.

If this position is filled, by Shanahan or whomever, I'm all for seeing a complete overhaul of the current management team.  The scouting staff is one department that primarily needs a major revamp in my opinion.  And if it means that the team has to eat up Nonis's remaining four years on his contract, so be it.  I'd rather the new guy bring in the guys he wants than keeping guys he has inherited and may not be completely comfortable with. 

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« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2014, 09:46:34 AM »
I'm on board with bringing in a president of hockey ops who would oversee the entire hockey structure.  The one reservation would be adding yet another layer to the management structure, but the team could use a guy at the top who will set the tone for the entire organization right on down through all levels.

If this position is filled, by Shanahan or whomever, I'm all for seeing a complete overhaul of the current management team.  The scouting staff is one department that primarily needs a major revamp in my opinion.  And if it means that the team has to eat up Nonis's remaining four years on his contract, so be it.  I'd rather the new guy bring in the guys he wants than keeping guys he has inherited and may not be completely comfortable with.

the scouting is not as good as DET that is a fact. But We got Bozak for nothing, and he has been a good player

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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2014, 09:51:34 AM »
I'm on board with bringing in a president of hockey ops who would oversee the entire hockey structure.  The one reservation would be adding yet another layer to the management structure, but the team could use a guy at the top who will set the tone for the entire organization right on down through all levels.

If this position is filled, by Shanahan or whomever, I'm all for seeing a complete overhaul of the current management team.  The scouting staff is one department that primarily needs a major revamp in my opinion.  And if it means that the team has to eat up Nonis's remaining four years on his contract, so be it.  I'd rather the new guy bring in the guys he wants than keeping guys he has inherited and may not be completely comfortable with.

the scouting is not as good as DET that is a fact. But We got Bozak for nothing, and he has been a good player

I think the amateur scouting staff have done a fine job. I wouldn't touch them. The pro scouting has been average, other than a few hits here and there. If there is a opportunity to upgrade that, I'd be all over it!
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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2014, 09:58:40 AM »
I'm on board with bringing in a president of hockey ops who would oversee the entire hockey structure.  The one reservation would be adding yet another layer to the management structure, but the team could use a guy at the top who will set the tone for the entire organization right on down through all levels.

If this position is filled, by Shanahan or whomever, I'm all for seeing a complete overhaul of the current management team.  The scouting staff is one department that primarily needs a major revamp in my opinion.  And if it means that the team has to eat up Nonis's remaining four years on his contract, so be it.  I'd rather the new guy bring in the guys he wants than keeping guys he has inherited and may not be completely comfortable with.

the scouting is not as good as DET that is a fact. But We got Bozak for nothing, and he has been a good player

I think the amateur scouting staff have done a fine job. I wouldn't touch them. The pro scouting has been average, other than a few hits here and there. If there is a opportunity to upgrade that, I'd be all over it!

I guess I would have to agree, with the choice of the Highly talented "Mr Clarkson" (See sarcasm)

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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2014, 10:07:24 AM »
I think the amateur scouting staff have done a fine job. I wouldn't touch them. The pro scouting has been average, other than a few hits here and there. If there is a opportunity to upgrade that, I'd be all over it!

The amateur scouts have been adequate, but, they could still use some upgrades. That's the area where the Leafs could really be using some of their financial advantage. Have multiple scouts in each territory, so they get multiple opinions on players and more time watching each player. More in-depth scouting reports certainly couldn't hurt.
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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2014, 10:13:56 AM »
I think the amateur scouting staff have done a fine job. I wouldn't touch them. The pro scouting has been average, other than a few hits here and there. If there is a opportunity to upgrade that, I'd be all over it!

The amateur scouts have been adequate, but, they could still use some upgrades. That's the area where the Leafs could really be using some of their financial advantage. Have multiple scouts in each territory, so they get multiple opinions on players and more time watching each player. More in-depth scouting reports certainly couldn't hurt.

I know I've made the argument that Detroit has been 'lucky', but at the same time the Leafs should really try to emulate certain aspects of the way they draft, such as taking a flyer on some of these smaller, but highly skilled, players that fall into the later rounds of the draft.  Detroit basically does that and then develops the crap out of them on the farm before bringing them up.  Now obviously their European scout is pretty great to find these guys, but when it comes to the later rounds I think a team should be doing a lot of that.

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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2014, 10:15:53 AM »
I know I've made the argument that Detroit has been 'lucky', but at the same time the Leafs should really try to emulate certain aspects of the way they draft, such as taking a flyer on some of these smaller, but highly skilled, players that fall into the later rounds of the draft.  Detroit basically does that and then develops the crap out of them on the farm before bringing them up.  Now obviously their European scout is pretty great to find these guys, but when it comes to the later rounds I think a team should be doing a lot of that.

I agree, and, I think adding more quality scouts in the European leagues would be one of the first areas I'd be addressing.
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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2014, 11:32:09 AM »
we had a decent European scout at one time. It was either Thommie Bergman or Anders Hedberg that did a decent job..Not sure if either is still there

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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2014, 11:33:33 AM »
I think the amateur scouting staff have done a fine job. I wouldn't touch them. The pro scouting has been average, other than a few hits here and there. If there is a opportunity to upgrade that, I'd be all over it!

The amateur scouts have been adequate, but, they could still use some upgrades. That's the area where the Leafs could really be using some of their financial advantage. Have multiple scouts in each territory, so they get multiple opinions on players and more time watching each player. More in-depth scouting reports certainly couldn't hurt.

The amateur scouting hasn't been good.  The only players that we have drafted and made the leafs, during the fletcher/burke era were top ten picks.  We need much better drafting and hence scouts.
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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2014, 11:34:22 AM »
we had a decent European scout at one time. It was either Thommie Bergman or Anders Hedberg that did a decent job..Not sure if either is still there

I think Bergmann is still with the team, and I'm not suggesting replacing him or anything like that. I just think they need to build up the scouting staff on the other side of the pond.
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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2014, 11:35:44 AM »
we had a decent European scout at one time. It was either Thommie Bergman or Anders Hedberg that did a decent job..Not sure if either is still there

I think Bergmann is still with the team, and I'm not suggesting replacing him or anything like that. I just think they need to build up the scouting staff on the other side of the pond.

he is with the team. I just chekced the staff. I think Hedberg was at one time too..Peter Innhacak is on the staff :o

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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2014, 11:35:53 AM »
we had a decent European scout at one time. It was either Thommie Bergman or Anders Hedberg that did a decent job..Not sure if either is still there

Bergman's still here. He's probably responsible for a lot of the Swedish picks the team has had in recent years (Johnson, Nilsson, Granberg). And of course Stalberg, Gunnarsson, and Steen if we look further back. There have been some misses, but generally the team has done well out of Sweden.

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Re: President of Hockey Operations
« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2014, 11:35:53 AM »