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« on: July 04, 2013, 10:31:12 PM »
The roster for the upcoming prospect camp was released and I noticed a couple of omissions from the invitees. Goalie Grant Rollheiser who just finished his senior season at Boston University and Max Everson who finished the season with the Omaha Lancers of the USHL after starting the year playing for Harvard. Both of these players have had mediocre success since being drafted and I was wondering why they weren't invited to the prospect camp and if they are still Leaf property?


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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2013, 05:27:44 PM »
I'll say one thing, there are some crazy names on that list this year.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2013, 05:41:18 PM »
It sounded like the club is pretty high on Petter Granberg.

It does sound like there is solid collection of young defenders the leafs have in the system. Based on various things I've read Gardiner, Reilly, Percy, Finn and Grannberg all have good chances at becoming NHL players.

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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2013, 05:46:07 PM »
It sounded like the club is pretty high on Petter Granberg.

It does sound like there is solid collection of young defenders the leafs have in the system. Based on various things I've read Gardiner, Reilly, Percy, Finn and Grannberg all have good chances at becoming NHL players.

Yeah, I've seen a couple mentions of him, but I can't remember where. They did sign him, which to me seems early for a European player drafted where he was.

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Talked to WHL scout Sunday. He said: "No one should be surprised if Morgan Rielly blows everyone away at #Leafs training camp. A keeper."
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2013, 05:48:50 PM »
Tom Nilsson is apparently highly regarded too, a more physical less offensive gunnarsson.

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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2013, 06:10:20 PM »
You'd have to give our scouting staff a fair amount of the credit, one would think. Since Morrison came in, I think the Leafs have been doing a great job of drafting. Far better than the Leafs used to in the 80's, 90's...
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2013, 06:20:41 PM »
You'd have to give our scouting staff a fair amount of the credit, one would think. Since Morrison came in, I think the Leafs have been doing a great job of drafting. Far better than the Leafs used to in the 80's, 90's...

Thommie Bergman too, the Leafs have had excellent luck with the Swedes.

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2013, 07:37:06 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2013, 08:58:14 PM »
You'd have to give our scouting staff a fair amount of the credit, one would think. Since Morrison came in, I think the Leafs have been doing a great job of drafting. Far better than the Leafs used to in the 80's, 90's...

Morrison took over the director of amateur scouting position after the 2006 draft. Since then we've drafted 5 NHLers (Frattin, Gunnarsson, Schenn, Hayes, and Kadri). Obviously there's a few guys that are potentially close like Ryan, Blacker, D'Amgio, McKegg, and Devane, and a bunch more from recent drafts that still have upsides.

So overall not bad, but I wouldn't go around giving them A+s. Particularly since that entire group of "close" prospects are pretty much 3rd and 4th liners. Then again there were of course a couple of drafts where the scouts didn't have the draft picks they would have liked.

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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2013, 09:05:46 PM »
Morrison took over the director of amateur scouting position after the 2006 draft. Since then we've drafted 5 NHLers (Frattin, Gunnarsson, Schenn, Hayes, and Kadri). Obviously there's a few guys that are potentially close like Ryan, Blacker, D'Amgio, McKegg, and Devane, and a bunch more from recent drafts that still have upsides.

So overall not bad, but I wouldn't go around giving them A+s. Particularly since that entire group of "close" prospects are pretty much 3rd and 4th liners. Then again there were of course a couple of drafts where the scouts didn't have the draft picks they would have liked.

Yeah, I actually think that the best period the Leafs had in the draft, and by a pretty considerable margin, were the Quinn years. Despite only drafting in the top 15 once between '98 and '02 the team drafted Antro, Poni, Steen, Stajan, Coli, Wellwood, Boyes, White, Pilar, Harrison. That right there is two legitimate legitimate NHL'ers per draft. Toss in fringe guys like John Mitchell, Mikael Tellqvist and Brenden Bell and considering that another of their first rounders, the only one who didn't have at least a career, had to retire because of an undiagnosed heart condition and it's a pretty good stretch.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2013, 09:10:51 PM »
You'd have to give our scouting staff a fair amount of the credit, one would think. Since Morrison came in, I think the Leafs have been doing a great job of drafting. Far better than the Leafs used to in the 80's, 90's...
The proper development , IMHO, been way more important then who they've drafted.  How many kids were thrown under the bus?  Example: Good for Rask, but what would the Leafs done for him?  Stick him in when he wasn't ready?  Kadri could of been a bust.
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2013, 09:47:41 PM »
You'd have to give our scouting staff a fair amount of the credit, one would think. Since Morrison came in, I think the Leafs have been doing a great job of drafting. Far better than the Leafs used to in the 80's, 90's...

Morrison took over the director of amateur scouting position after the 2006 draft. Since then we've drafted 5 NHLers (Frattin, Gunnarsson, Schenn, Hayes, and Kadri). Obviously there's a few guys that are potentially close like Ryan, Blacker, D'Amgio, McKegg, and Devane, and a bunch more from recent drafts that still have upsides.

So overall not bad, but I wouldn't go around giving them A+s. Particularly since that entire group of "close" prospects are pretty much 3rd and 4th liners. Then again there were of course a couple of drafts where the scouts didn't have the draft picks they would have liked.

Well, a fair amount of credit is not A+'s.. But, wasn't Morrison a part of Trapp's staff and then took over? He was at least a part of the Vancouver connection, wasn't he? At any rate, this is less about Morrison being the Scotty Bowman of scouting and more about giving Bergman and the rest of Morrison's staff a bit of props.

Also, wasn't Stalberg a Morrison draftee?
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2013, 10:45:24 PM »
The 05-07 drafts were pretty good too.

05: Rask, Stralman
06: Tlusty, Kulemin, Reimer, Holzer, Stalberg, Komarov
07: Frattin, Gunnarsson

Keep in mind, within those 3 drafts they had 3 picks in the first 2 rounds, combined.

Also interesting to note that 8/10 of the picks were Euros.

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2013, 10:53:06 PM »
The 05-07 drafts were pretty good too.

05: Rask, Stralman
06: Tlusty, Kulemin, Reimer, Holzer, Stalberg, Komarov
07: Frattin, Gunnarsson

Keep in mind, within those 3 drafts they had 3 picks in the first 2 rounds, combined.

Also interesting to note that 8/10 of the picks were Euros.

Barry Trapp ran those drafts. And as Nik said, the 2001/2002 drafts were both very good as well and that was when Mike Penny was running things. I preferred both of those gentlemen's work to Morrison's.

edit: Although again, in defence of Morrison, some of his work can't be judged yet.
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Re: Leafs Prospect Camp
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2013, 10:53:06 PM »