Leafs re-sign Ben Scrivens

[Champ Kind]

Scriven to fly. Scriven the dog a bone. Scriven it up.

Good deal, not much to complain about with it that I can see.  Seems fair.

Will he seize the opportunity he's been Scriven?

*crickets*

Sorry, I couldn't help it, but Potvin really cracked me wup with "Scriven the dog a bone".

[Peter D.]

The Leafs have less than $2.5 million committed to goalies next year.  That could be a stroke of genius by Burke, or the final line of Burke's resume in Toronto. 

[pnjunction]

The Leafs have less than $2.5 million committed to goalies next year.  That could be a stroke of genius by Burke, or the final line of Burke's resume in Toronto. 

109 games experience between them...it could work out but sadly I think it is more likely to be a disaster.

[CarltonTheBear]

What does Scrivens' contract pay him at the AHL level? I read that he made $85,000 last season but his performance should have earned him a raise.

He was bumped up to $105k.

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

What does Scrivens' contract pay him at the AHL level? I read that he made $85,000 last season but his performance should have earned him a raise.

He was bumped up to $105k.

I'd have been fine with giving him half his NHL salary in the AHL as I think he earned it last year. It might be a moot point though as he'll likely be in the NHL or with another team due to his waiver status, no?

[Potvin29]

The Leafs have less than $2.5 million committed to goalies next year.  That could be a stroke of genius by Burke, or the final line of Burke's resume in Toronto. 

A lot of the advanced stats guys I follow on Twitter claim you shouldn't be spending much on goaltenders due to their unpredictability.  Maybe we'll come out on the right side of it for once.

[Highlander]

I think they are going to go after Loungo once the CBA is worked out.  Probably Franson, Blacker or Holzer, Ashton and a 2nd.

[Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate]

The Leafs have less than $2.5 million committed to goalies next year.  That could be a stroke of genius by Burke, or the final line of Burke's resume in Toronto. 

A lot of the advanced stats guys I follow on Twitter claim you shouldn't be spending much on goaltenders due to their unpredictability.  Maybe we'll come out on the right side of it for once.

I think a more judicious analysis would claim you shouldn't overspend on goalies.  You have to put up decent money to get a decent goalie (obviously).  And, when you get hold of a Lundqvist or a Brodeur, you pay them very well.  The goalie is the most important member of the team, after all.

[hap_leaf]

Similar money to Ben Bishop, similar age and NHL experience.  Will be interesting to see which Ben turns out better!

[princedpw]

The Leafs have less than $2.5 million committed to goalies next year.  That could be a stroke of genius by Burke, or the final line of Burke's resume in Toronto. 

A lot of the advanced stats guys I follow on Twitter claim you shouldn't be spending much on goaltenders due to their unpredictability.  Maybe we'll come out on the right side of it for once.

I think a more judicious analysis would claim you shouldn't overspend on goalies.  You have to put up decent money to get a decent goalie (obviously).  And, when you get hold of a Lundqvist or a Brodeur, you pay them very well.  The goalie is the most important member of the team, after all.

Potvin correctly summarized the consensus thinking of most of the advanced stats guys.  Most would say that given the choice of signing one of the top 15 guys in the league and paying current market value for that (5-6million) or signing one of the guys in the 15-30 group, you should sign one of the guys in the 15-30 group and use the extra cash to buy better skaters.  Goalies are hard to predict and the deltas between them are getting smaller so the fact of the matter is that when you get a top 15 guy, you usually overspend relative to his improvement in team success.

[RedLeaf]

The Leafs have less than $2.5 million committed to goalies next year.  That could be a stroke of genius by Burke, or the final line of Burke's resume in Toronto. 

A lot of the advanced stats guys I follow on Twitter claim you shouldn't be spending much on goaltenders due to their unpredictability.  Maybe we'll come out on the right side of it for once.

I think a more judicious analysis would claim you shouldn't overspend on goalies.  You have to put up decent money to get a decent goalie (obviously).  And, when you get hold of a Lundqvist or a Brodeur, you pay them very well.  The goalie is the most important member of the team, after all.

Potvin correctly summarized the consensus thinking of most of the advanced stats guys.  Most would say that given the choice of signing one of the top 15 guys in the league and paying current market value for that (5-6million) or signing one of the guys in the 15-30 group, you should sign one of the guys in the 15-30 group and use the extra cash to buy better skaters.  Goalies are hard to predict and the deltas between them are getting smaller so the fact of the matter is that when you get a top 15 guy, you usually overspend relative to his improvement in team success.

Not really sure I buy that theory. Goaltending is, without a doubt, the most important position in the game, and without a true number one goalie between the pipes the rest of the team can look really bad. A guy like Luongo can come in and essentially be the difference between being a playoff team or not being one. The odds of that happening drop off substantially with unproven or bottom end, if you will, goaltending.

[bustaheims]

Potvin correctly summarized the consensus thinking of most of the advanced stats guys.  Most would say that given the choice of signing one of the top 15 guys in the league and paying current market value for that (5-6million) or signing one of the guys in the 15-30 group, you should sign one of the guys in the 15-30 group and use the extra cash to buy better skaters.  Goalies are hard to predict and the deltas between them are getting smaller so the fact of the matter is that when you get a top 15 guy, you usually overspend relative to his improvement in team success.

Where that kind of falls apart is when you look at post season success - the overwhelming majority of Stanley Cup champs have a goalie who would easily be considered a top 15 goalie and a significant portion had goalies who were Vezina winners/finalists.

[RedLeaf]

Potvin correctly summarized the consensus thinking of most of the advanced stats guys.  Most would say that given the choice of signing one of the top 15 guys in the league and paying current market value for that (5-6million) or signing one of the guys in the 15-30 group, you should sign one of the guys in the 15-30 group and use the extra cash to buy better skaters.  Goalies are hard to predict and the deltas between them are getting smaller so the fact of the matter is that when you get a top 15 guy, you usually overspend relative to his improvement in team success.

Where that kind of falls apart is when you look at post season success - the overwhelming majority of Stanley Cup champs have a goalie who would easily be considered a top 15 goalie and a significant portion had goalies who were Vezina winners/finalists.

Agreed. In order to be a contending team in the future the Leafs need to have one of the top 10 or 15 goaltenders in the league. If Luongo can step in and fill that spot than the Leafs will have filled the most important role on a team looking to move up the standings and hopefully contend in the not so distant future. Without that type of high end goaltending the team is mediocre, and at best half decent.

[nutman]

and two seasons ago LA's goalie was a top 15? or at the start of last season did he have that rating.

[bustaheims]

and two seasons ago LA's goalie was a top 15? or at the start of last season did he have that rating.

Quick was 6th in the NHL in GAA among qualified goalies in 10/11 and tied for 14th in Sv%. His 6 shut outs that season tied him for 6th in the league in that category. So, yes, going into this past season, I would have said Quick was very much one of the top 15 goalies in the league, possibly even in the top 10.