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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Last post by Bill_Berg on May 17, 2018, 11:00:12 AM »
Gardiner is a UFA after next season. Count me in on the trade Gardiner bandwagon.
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2018 NHL Playoffs / Re: Jets (C2) vs. Golden Knights (P1)
« Last post by CarltonTheBear on May 17, 2018, 10:51:47 AM »
Those two saves by Fleury in the 3rd literally brought me off my couch.

I want to see Vegas lose, and hope they toil in obscurity for years to come, but Fleury is giving me the smallest of reasons to actually not mind if they win.  Him getting a 4th Cup would be pretty impressive.  One of the most likeable guys in the league.

I saw an interesting question yesterday: does a 4th Stanley Cup (and a probable Conn Smythe award if they win) get Fleury into the HHOF?
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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Last post by herman on May 17, 2018, 10:36:51 AM »
So, I'm a big proponent of offense = effective defense.

That being said, I also feel there is a huge belief among hockey management groups that 50+ pt defenders are ones who need 7M+ and they are highly valuable and sought after (sup, Dion Phaneuf?).

I also believe that trying to score from the point regularly (a la Brent Burns, Shea Weber) is basically the NHL version of the long two-pointer in basketball: it is depressingly inefficient. On a team like the Leafs, that's taking the puck away from your actual firepower (Matthews, Nylander, Kadri), so they really only use the point shot for deliberate high tips, rebounds, and to keep goaltenders occasionally honest by bringing their shot down to the top of the circle.

What that means is, I'm looking for a 20-24 year old 3rd pairing defender that can skate out of trouble, make an accurate pass, and aggressively break up plays on a carrier, but who doesn't necessarily put up points. In stats terms, that means high relative CF%, low CA60, don't care about iCF but where the iFF is a higher proportion of the overall iCF (which means he can get shots through).

It also means I'm willing to ship out one of Rielly/Gardiner for a king's ransom because Dermott could make them surplus to needs for a fraction of the cost. I kind of want to keep Gardiner over Rielly too, because of the CA60 difference, but salary considerations and age might flip that around.
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General NHL News & Views / Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« Last post by Nik the Trik on May 17, 2018, 10:29:10 AM »

I think I wrote something like this last year but I will again. Following hockey media during the playoffs if the Leafs aren't in it is exhausting. I don't know when the last time was that I read something in my pursuit of mildly interesting off-season news that didn't feel like someone relentlessly trying to sell me on why I should be watching two out of market teams I have no personal connection to.

This is primarily done through trying to sell us on specific narratives but there's barely any critical examination of them. Take Washington for instance. The easy and constantly repeated narrative for why their cup run is compelling is because they haven't won before and wouldn't it be great to see Ovechkin win the cup?

But would it? I don't particularly like Ovechkin. I don't dislike him much, weird politics aside, but outside of being a great player I don't know how invested I am in his personal goals. His winning a cup doesn't mean more to me than any other veteran winning one would. Again and again people search for some iteration of the Ray Bourque thing without realizing that it's not really a bottomless well. Guy wins Cup after years of not winning cup doesn't remain interesting because Guy gets recast every year.

Likewise Vegas which, I grant, is a new thing. To be fair DGB has written about whether or not it's a good thing if they win the cup which was worth a read but I think that's a well that's run dry. I get it, expansion teams are usually bad and in this case most of us were very wrong about how good they'd be. But with a clear view of why we were wrong(the league is watered down, expansion rules were good to them, other GMs cared more about their cap then holding onto good players) what they're doing isn't really a surprise anymore. They're a good team. Good teams, in the playoffs, have a chance at a cup.

But none of this gets looked at critically because 99% of what gets written during this time is either A) from people employed by NHL rights-holders or B) by people who have a personal interest in people being invested in hockey.

I don't know, I'm probably just grumpy and bitter about it but I really feel like I remember a time when hockey media wasn't just relentless cheerleading for the league.
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2018 NHL Playoffs / Re: Jets (C2) vs. Golden Knights (P1)
« Last post by Peter D. on May 17, 2018, 10:11:22 AM »
Those two saves by Fleury in the 3rd literally brought me off my couch.

I want to see Vegas lose, and hope they toil in obscurity for years to come, but Fleury is giving me the smallest of reasons to actually not mind if they win.  Him getting a 4th Cup would be pretty impressive.  One of the most likeable guys in the league.
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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Last post by Nik the Trik on May 17, 2018, 10:09:40 AM »
I think thatís the right read, Nik. Theyíre only going to make a big fish trade if the piece coming back is as much (if not more) of a needle mover. Otherwise, itís all about nipping at the fringes of other rosters for underutilized talent.

This is why I lean towards trying your darndest to land Tavares if he is even a bit open to coming here. Pile all the cap allotment in him, the big 3 and the next layer of high value commitments at moderate hits, and use the remainder for filling the wings and depth defense with cheap Marlies that will eventually be traded for assets.

If Tavares goes somewhere else, and no shutdowny centre comes in, then itís Willy time, and you flesh out the wings to support Matthews and Nylanderís respective deficiencies accordingly.

I think where we agree is that I think that may very well be their best plan to improve the team immediately.  Where we disagree is I don't think that's a very good plan for building a team that can become one of the clubs that separates themselves from the pack.
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2018 NHL Playoffs / Re: Jets (C2) vs. Golden Knights (P1)
« Last post by CarltonTheBear on May 17, 2018, 09:23:06 AM »
Apparently fast, always attacking hockey is both effective and entertaining.

Watching Schmidt goes up and down the ice all game was exhilarating. And then to not hear a single person point out how he's a terrible defenceman who doesn't belong in the NHL because his aggressive play left him out of position for Scheifele's 2nd goal of the game was confusing.
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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: The Official Movie Thread
« Last post by herman on May 17, 2018, 09:10:35 AM »
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2018 NHL Playoffs / Re: Jets (C2) vs. Golden Knights (P1)
« Last post by herman on May 17, 2018, 09:09:23 AM »
Apparently fast, always attacking hockey is both effective and entertaining.
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2018 NHL Playoffs / Re: Jets (C2) vs. Golden Knights (P1)
« Last post by CarltonTheBear on May 17, 2018, 09:02:36 AM »
I haven't watched too much hockey since the Leafs were eliminated but caught most of last night's game and it was terrific.
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