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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: The Donald
« Last post by Heroic Shrimp on May 18, 2018, 04:44:55 PM »
Because I was just saying that if there are going to be school shootings it's a really good idea for a building to only have a few exits that everyone will be running for at once.

I imagine the fire department may also not be big supporters of limited building exits for hundreds or thousands of people.
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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: The Donald
« Last post by Nik the Trik on May 18, 2018, 03:55:24 PM »

Because I was just saying that if there are going to be school shootings it's a really good idea for a building to only have a few exits that everyone will be running for at once.
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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: The Donald
« Last post by CarltonTheBear on May 18, 2018, 03:53:26 PM »

They're getting dumber.
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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Useless Thread
« Last post by bustaheims on May 18, 2018, 02:50:39 PM »
That's not going to solve the incel problem though, because their real issue isn't access to sex -- it's the objectification of women, it's having power over another, it's the culture of winning the woman (and the right to use her body) as an achievement.

edit: i.e. what Nik said.

I agree it won't solve the problem, as, yes, majority of them are basically male supremacists. It would just be nice to see something positive come out of this whole thing instead of just small minded boys on their soapboxes raging about how they can't date the 'head cheerleader' types.
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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Useless Thread
« Last post by herman on May 18, 2018, 02:33:32 PM »
Half the men fail? I'm sure the number is much lower than that, but that's call survival of the fittest, and it's a good thing for the species (from a purely biological perspective, at least - it's large part in what drives evolution). Also, women only go for high status men? That's going to news to a lot of people I know.

You really want to help these guys who are sad they can't find women to sleep with? Legalize sex work and do the work to remove the stigma attached to it. Give them an out where both parties receive some sort of benefit. This enforced monogamy BS is basically slavery.

The safety improvements to legalized sex work is the biggest thing for me.  It fixes a large part of the concern around sex trafficking.  It diminishes the risks of STIs to both johns and sex workers.  It diminishes the risks of drug culture in the sex industry.  There really isn't a very good argument for not legalizing it.

If it quiets down the "Incel" culture, I'm good with that too but I'm having a hard time being overly sympathetic toward a mindset that wants to mandate relationships.  It's pretty absurd.

On a legislative level, yeah, I agree with that course.

That's not going to solve the incel problem though, because their real issue isn't access to sex -- it's the objectification of women, it's having power over another, it's the culture of winning the woman (and the right to use her body) as an achievement.

edit: i.e. what Nik said.
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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Useless Thread
« Last post by Nik the Trik on May 18, 2018, 02:31:30 PM »
Half the men fail? I'm sure the number is much lower than that, but that's call survival of the fittest, and it's a good thing for the species (from a purely biological perspective, at least - it's large part in what drives evolution). Also, women only go for high status men? That's going to news to a lot of people I know.

You really want to help these guys who are sad they can't find women to sleep with? Legalize sex work and do the work to remove the stigma attached to it. Give them an out where both parties receive some sort of benefit. This enforced monogamy BS is basically slavery.

The safety improvements to legalized sex work is the biggest thing for me.  It fixes a large part of the concern around sex trafficking.  It diminishes the risks of STIs to both johns and sex workers.  It diminishes the risks of drug culture in the sex industry.  There really isn't a very good argument for not legalizing it.

If it quiets down the "Incel" culture, I'm good with that too but I'm having a hard time being overly sympathetic toward a mindset that wants to mandate relationships.  It's pretty absurd.

I think that speaks to what this really great New Yorker piece is about The Rage of the Incels and what separates these guys from guys(and gals!) who can't get dates. They're not after sex with sex workers or even romantic relationships necessarily. They're all about thinking men, any men, have the right to sex with particular women, namely young and attractive women.

They're straight up fascists in the guise of mopey sad sacks.
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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Useless Thread
« Last post by L K on May 18, 2018, 02:24:38 PM »
I've got family that thinks this guy is a genius and I'll absolutely never understand why.

Half the men fail? I'm sure the number is much lower than that, but that's call survival of the fittest, and it's a good thing for the species (from a purely biological perspective, at least - it's large part in what drives evolution). Also, women only go for high status men? That's going to news to a lot of people I know.

You really want to help these guys who are sad they can't find women to sleep with? Legalize sex work and do the work to remove the stigma attached to it. Give them an out where both parties receive some sort of benefit. This enforced monogamy BS is basically slavery.

The safety improvements to legalized sex work is the biggest thing for me.  It fixes a large part of the concern around sex trafficking.  It diminishes the risks of STIs to both johns and sex workers.  It diminishes the risks of drug culture in the sex industry.  There really isn't a very good argument for not legalizing it.

If it quiets down the "Incel" culture, I'm good with that too but I'm having a hard time being overly sympathetic toward a mindset that wants to mandate relationships.  It's pretty absurd.
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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Useless Thread
« Last post by bustaheims on May 18, 2018, 02:14:39 PM »
I've got family that thinks this guy is a genius and I'll absolutely never understand why.

Half the men fail? I'm sure the number is much lower than that, but that's call survival of the fittest, and it's a good thing for the species (from a purely biological perspective, at least - it's large part in what drives evolution). Also, women only go for high status men? That's going to news to a lot of people I know.

You really want to help these guys who are sad they can't find women to sleep with? Legalize sex work and do the work to remove the stigma attached to it. Give them an out where both parties receive some sort of benefit. This enforced monogamy BS is basically slavery.
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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Useless Thread
« Last post by herman on May 18, 2018, 02:08:38 PM »
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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Useless Thread
« Last post by Nik the Trik on May 18, 2018, 02:04:18 PM »
That's pretty much the thing.  Confirmation bias is a big problem.  Not just with laypersons but in academia as well.

Yeah and I think there's a relation between how much you might trumpet something that you agree with and it's space within mainstream thought. So, for instance, if you think Global Warming is real and a problem to be dealt with then you agree with 97% of climate scientists and you don't have much interest in any of them in particular.

If you're out there stanning for the oil companies on the other hand, you have a real interest in thinking those 3% of climate scientists are the real geniuses taking on a rotten status quo.

Same here with a truly batshit concept like women being forced into monogamous relationships. It won't get much play among mainstream thought so the people who believe that are going to say it's the second coming of Aristotle.
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