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The Leafs did what they did with Tyler Bozak.

Who very well could be the Reading Royals best player..

The 'de Bono' in me has to ask if that's a plus, minus or interesting point?...

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Pretty tough, after the spending frenzy we just saw, to say that a versatile 25 year old 20 goal scorer is overpaid at three million per.

I wouldn't say that was the case when Toronto traded for him and Armstrong was characterized as 'slightly' over paid at the time though now looks better some too, in spite of injuries... Coupled with a bad back VerIety's versatility relegates him to a third line role on a cup winning team and at that price he still seems like a bit of a luxury to me.

I don't think his versatility "relegates" him to anything. His versatility allows him to be effective on the third line as well as in a top 6 role. Armstrong, as a guy who's pretty strictly a bottom six guy, may be a little overpaid at 3 per. A guy who can produce what Versteeg does in a top 6 role would get 3 million plus in just about any free agent market.

Well that's what he was in Chicago, Toronto and Philly, a third liner. When I say 'relegates' I say it with past humble hopes that he could have been more in Toronto but from his play that's what he was and is, though with a bit of upside but not a lot and with some issues. Versteeg was one of Chicago's qualification snafu's, IIRC, he never should have been making that money that early. Maybe as an ufa two years from now we could really equate his contract in a current market but I don't see it quite so comparable as a properly qualified rfa signed to a 3 year deal 2 years ago. I mean a 26 year old General bested his 3 year old career year by 9 points and got a paltry 170k more in this market.

Would you say Florida is the real winner here?

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I think it's safe to assume all of the other teams will improve, while the Leafs will not.  New Jersey? They will build off last year's 2nd half.  Toronto?  MIRAGE.

 :-\

In fairness, Jersey did what they did without their best player.

Oh, a Parise versus Kovalchuk thread? Could be fun.

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General Info / Re: Welcome to TMLfans Temporary Forum
« on: July 11, 2011, 11:44:53 PM »
By the way, is cw on a mission to start ALL threads?  Will he be annoyed if somebody else starts one?  http://tmlfans.ca/community/Smileys/default/wink.gif

I can use all the help I can get! A few others have started some threads.

I just wanted to try to get something going because it looked pretty awful.

I'm out of thread ideas for the moment.

I appreciate the effort.

Me too, along with general contribution, glad to have a place to talk.

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Pretty tough, after the spending frenzy we just saw, to say that a versatile 25 year old 20 goal scorer is overpaid at three million per.

I wouldn't say that was the case when Toronto traded for him and Armstrong was characterized as 'slightly' over paid at the time though now looks better some too, in spite of injuries... Coupled with a bad back VerIety's versatility relegates him to a third line role on a cup winning team and at that price he still seems like a bit of a luxury to me.

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Yeah, if we're going to add the Versteeg to Philly trade in the discussion, then yeah it will be a few years before we can conclude who won that deal. But looking exclusively at the Stalberg to Chicago trade, I think it's definitely a win for us. Paradis and DiDomenico will both be lucky to make the NHL, and Stalberg could find himself out of it in a couple of years if he doesn't turn things around.

I don't know, if you can't declare a winner Philly/Toronto I don't think you can Toronto/Chicago either because it's the same principal. A low first round pick and a third aren't likely to make big NHL impacts even if Percy is widely regarded as a safe pick with a low ceiling.

Seems to me that cap implications could count towards a win/win/win of sorts overall, I mean, Chicago probably wouldn't have traded VerPhilly or The Dustin Jets with this years cap... well at least not for the same reasons ( and likely results ) while Toronto also received cap space and a decent pick that resonates with a 'youth movement' of sorts ( to me at least ) from their deal. Philly got a slightly over priced 3rd liner that remains decent depth for them... all of them seemed to get what they wanted or at least needed in some way.

Best player? Philly, not by a huge amount though. Best cap accommodations? Chicago. Best 'Merrill' with a subsequent RBI and some cap love? Toronto.
 

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 4th Line Center
« on: July 11, 2011, 12:56:47 PM »
All I know is I wanted a non-goon 4th line and more of a playoff contender 4th line which shouldn't be that hard to assemble.  A 4th line that has guys that will have 20+ fights each and only 5 goals amoungst the 3 of them should be a thing of the past.

Realizing that ex-Leaf Shawn Thornton got 10 goals last year as the Bruins enforcer.

Last September I was hoping that the limited 4th line minutes in non-critical times of the games would let 2 top Leaf prospects play with Orr who was coming of a great campaign (for a fighter).

This year I would have gone with a 4th line of Eager / Boyce / Brown who all fight but none are super heavy weights or even particularly good fighters.  They all can skate and hit and could have gotten 20 - 25 goals between them and 20 - 25 fights which is a nice ratio in my mind.

I guess I am not sure who to put between Brown and Orr.

I wish they'd just drop Orr out of the equation.

For the 1st time, I agree.  Someone noted a couple of days ago that Wilson didn't look at who the opponents were and played Orr even when there was no fighters on the other team wasting a Leaf roster spot.  If Wilson had played Orr on a more balanced 4th line role like Orr had in NYR with Sjostrom and ?? I wouldn't mind Orr playing every night.  Right now Wilson seems to only use Orr in a goon role which is pathetic.  If he is really that bad as a hockey player then don't play him.

It's weird, I seem to recall Wilson saying he didn't like the staged fights and that seems to be a big part of Orr's m.o. so something's off with that whole situation.

It's frustrating, knowing Lombardi is probably a none factor this year and how much they need some quality in the bottom six, I wish they had acquired a Talbot and/or a Torres but I continue to hope Burke etc. have something up their collective sleeve to solve that problem.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 4th Line Center
« on: July 11, 2011, 12:43:56 PM »
All I know is I wanted a non-goon 4th line and more of a playoff contender 4th line which shouldn't be that hard to assemble.  A 4th line that has guys that will have 20+ fights each and only 5 goals amoungst the 3 of them should be a thing of the past.

Realizing that ex-Leaf Shawn Thornton got 10 goals last year as the Bruins enforcer.

Last September I was hoping that the limited 4th line minutes in non-critical times of the games would let 2 top Leaf prospects play with Orr who was coming of a great campaign (for a fighter).

This year I would have gone with a 4th line of Eager / Boyce / Brown who all fight but none are super heavy weights or even particularly good fighters.  They all can skate and hit and could have gotten 20 - 25 goals between them and 20 - 25 fights which is a nice ratio in my mind.

I guess I am not sure who to put between Brown and Orr.

I wish they'd just drop Orr out of the equation.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Making Sense of the Leafs D
« on: July 11, 2011, 12:42:19 PM »
Anything could happen of course but I really like how our D looks this year. By all accounts Blacker and Gardiner are close too so its nice to see some depth here.

Blacker and Gardiner certainly provide us with depth and quite possibly can negate the need to re-sign Liles or a replacement/substitute next summer.

If those two could replace Komi and Liles ( not sure how realistic that is but just for argument ) the Leafs average age would really start to get ridiculous, in a good way.

Neither of them play the style of game that would replace Komi's physical style - their forte is puck movement & PP. But with Schenn, Aulie & Phaneuf and big Franson, maybe we have enough big guys - particularly if either if the two kids can PK.

Yeah, he's the guy I was thinking of when considering how realistic that idea is but Blacker has a physical element to his game and was excellent on the PK last year ( PP too for that matter though not in Komi's league for physicality but fair and quite resilient ) and Gardiner seems like he has potential to replace Liles skillset.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Making Sense of the Leafs D
« on: July 11, 2011, 12:32:39 PM »
Anything could happen of course but I really like how our D looks this year. By all accounts Blacker and Gardiner are close too so its nice to see some depth here.

Blacker and Gardiner certainly provide us with depth and quite possibly can negate the need to re-sign Liles or a replacement/substitute next summer.

If those two could replace Komi and Liles ( not sure how realistic that is but just for argument ) the Leafs average age would really start to get ridiculous, in a good way.

... and maybe Percy replacing another guy 2/3 years from now. One could easily say that depth on "D" system-wide is the strength of this franchise right now.

Sure seems that way, on top of that with all the ufas in 2 years the cap seems pretty flexible too.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Making Sense of the Leafs D
« on: July 11, 2011, 12:19:48 PM »
Anything could happen of course but I really like how our D looks this year. By all accounts Blacker and Gardiner are close too so its nice to see some depth here.

Blacker and Gardiner certainly provide us with depth and quite possibly can negate the need to re-sign Liles or a replacement/substitute next summer.

If those two could replace Komi and Liles ( not sure how realistic that is but just for argument ) the Leafs average age would really start to get ridiculous, in a good way.


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I honestly don't think they've addressed special teams sufficiently though and that could really hurt their chances.

I think the PP has changed quite a bit.

Liles is a significant change and solid PP quarterback.  Franson has a BIG shot.  Connolly is a much different look up front then what we've seen recently.  They change the coaching staff working with the PP as well.  4 rather significant changes.  I think this has been addressed about as much as you can expect through any one offseason.

PK, yeah, that's a different story.  Haven't really brought in any guys designed to improve the PK other than coaching staff.

I guess I'm thinking of the whole season and see Liles as a sideways move with Kabs but you're right that Connolly ( if healthy ) and Franson could have some impact on the PP. I think it's hard to say what kind of impact the coaches might have but I feel comfortable saying they're still missing net presence.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Making Sense of the Leafs D
« on: July 11, 2011, 11:58:18 AM »
Those pairings seem right to me for the most part Avro, I'd maybe have Schenn on the first pk unit instead of Dion and I'd certainly try out Franson on the second PP unit over Luke but each es unit seems to have a decent blend of offense and defense, though maybe not ideal. I guess the question comes into the bottom pairings for me a bit but we'll have to see how Franson does and whether Komi regains some form and has a positive impact.

It would be nice if Phaneuf actually turned into the 'stud' dman Burke was hoping to get, he certainly played much better once he got his legs back after the laceration last year.

Re: Franson over Schenn on PP2.  I definitely agree.  Schenn was thrown in as a question because I think we'll see Franson and Komi rotated in and out.  When Franson is in, he's your PP guy, when he's not, Schenn's the next best thing (IMO, anyways).

Got you, I agree with that.

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Reimer has to shine for the Leafs to be successful, that, or a more unlikely scenario of Goose or a pick up saving their bacon.

I honestly don't think they've addressed special teams sufficiently though and that could really hurt their chances.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 4th Line Center
« on: July 11, 2011, 11:45:55 AM »
He's RFA, first arbitration on the list.

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