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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: July 06, 2016, 01:26:42 PM »
Rookie Leaf scoring leaders since 2005/06 per TSN
08/09 Grabovski 48 pts
05/06 Wellwood 45 pts
05/06 Steen 45 pts
08/09 Kulemin 31 pts
11/12 Gardiner 30 pts
08/09 Mitchell 29 pts
13/14 Rielly 27 pts
09/10 Bozak 27 pts

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General NHL News & Views / Re: Ron MacLean returning to HNIC
« on: July 06, 2016, 01:11:53 PM »

Interesting article about the Subban trade, Strombo decision and how it relates to an ongoing cultural divide in hockey:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/pk-subban-ron-maclean-nhl-culture-wars-1.3660938

That article is pure garbage IMHO.

Compelling insight, as always.

I thought the article raised some interesting insights.
Then I read the comments and received some entirely different insights into society and our culture as a whole.

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: 2016 Leafs Development Camp Roster
« on: July 06, 2016, 12:39:17 PM »
Jeebus, he gets his shot off quick.

I am salivating.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: July 06, 2016, 11:17:51 AM »
I'm not sure if this was posted, it takes a look at some of the percentages and why they could support the Leafs being at least a little better than we might think in the short term.

http://theleafsnation.com/2016/7/5/why-a-rebound-of-percentages-could-lead-to-a-quick-leafs-turnaround

TBLeafer posted this upthread (we're discussing it now).
Kadri with his career SH% could've netted 32 goals!

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: July 06, 2016, 11:14:44 AM »
There's really virtually no equivalency between a rebound season (as they reasonably argue) and a quicker rebuild, as you've somehow interpreted their arguments to mean.

If they pull off that rebound and continue to progress the season after and not regress like the Flames or Sens, does it not essentially lead to the same thing?

The goal after all is being a perennial playoff team/contender.

I think you've missed Heroic Shrimp's point, TBLeafer. Like goals in games, team points per season are largely luck-driven; our focus should be on the process (getting into supported/supportive positions, generating more shots, stifling shot attempts) rather than the results. On the team scale, that means continuing to develop our prospects and not selling them off for shortcuts.

We were terribly unlucky last year, in terms of scoring, saves, injuries. It stands to reason there will be a regression towards the mean. I thought we were an edge of bottom 5 team last season, and the injuries and shrewd trades/call ups helped get us to the bottom. I don't expect we'll be much higher than bottom 5 this year, but you never know which way the bounces go.

The perfect storm was created when another errant Phaneuf slapper, broke JVR's foot, ruining any scoring depth the Leafs had built through November and December, especially since the other top six replacement option (Nylander) was also injured.

Cue full on tank.

We don't have Phaneuf this season.  :)

I think we can all agree that this management was never going to bail on top picks/prospects to 'accelerate' the rebuild so I don't understand the purpose of reiterating that point.

The article points to players' shot percentage rebounding and being more learned in Babcock's system for those returning, thus aiding stronger shot suppression at the same time.

Yes, a good share of luck will come into play as well.

I brought up prospect development as a metaphor illustrating the focus on the process, rather than the point results, which is what I assumed you were fixated on when you said "the Leafs rebuild could very likely go quicker than expected". That is to say, focusing on the number of points the team gets as the sole indicator of rebuild progress is faulty -- also exactly the same reasoning that made ownership think that the team Burke/Nonis put together was close to contending if only they had more grit after that brief playoff drive. I brought up the roster turnover to highlight that the past season's result has little bearing on the next season's result when there are so many unknown variables introduced as the year progresses.

The Tank wasn't triggered by Phaneuf accidentally ending JvR's season -- I don't understand why you keep saying that other than trying to be humourous; it was foreordained at the end of last, last season when Shanahan received permission from ownership to tear the team down.

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: 2016 Leafs Development Camp Roster
« on: July 06, 2016, 10:44:59 AM »
#81, or as I've been calling him, LeftKessel, is actually Adam Brooks.


Poor Woll (I think).

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: July 06, 2016, 10:41:57 AM »
There's really virtually no equivalency between a rebound season (as they reasonably argue) and a quicker rebuild, as you've somehow interpreted their arguments to mean.

If they pull off that rebound and continue to progress the season after and not regress like the Flames or Sens, does it not essentially lead to the same thing?

The goal after all is being a perennial playoff team/contender.

I think you've missed Heroic Shrimp's point, TBLeafer. Like goals in games, team points per season are largely luck-driven; our focus should be on the process (getting into supported/supportive positions, generating more shots, stifling shot attempts) rather than the results. On the team scale, that means continuing to develop our prospects and not selling them off for shortcuts.

We were terribly unlucky last year, in terms of scoring, saves, injuries. It stands to reason there will be a regression towards the mean. I thought we were an edge of bottom 5 team last season, and the injuries and shrewd trades/call ups helped get us to the bottom. I don't expect we'll be much higher than bottom 5 this year, but you never know which way the bounces go.

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Maple Leafs 2016 Draft Recap
« on: July 06, 2016, 10:24:21 AM »
Until I see any sort of concrete evidence that any method, or even any person, has really nailed the evaluation of draft eligible players "we're shooting blind, we might as well shoot high" doesn't seem like much of a statement to hold someone to.

This is fair. My observation re: those pet picks has more to do with our perception and defied expectations than any judgment on Hunter's work.

The "Shanaplan" deserves every opportunity to prove success or failure.  It doesn't mean that we all have to endorse the plan regardless of what happens in the mean time.  That the Leafs are being run better than a GM structure that threw away high draft picks and built a team around players that didn't fit the salary cap era isn't really proof positive of anything at this point.

Haha, the high hurdle of "not being an idiot".

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Matthews or BUST
« on: July 05, 2016, 04:14:59 PM »
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/lamoriello-bonus-policy-makes-matthews-deal-worth-watching/

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Lou Lamoriello is on record as being opposed to performance bonuses.

In fact, he refused to give them out while running the New Jersey Devils. He even got Adam Larsson, the No. 4 pick in 2011, to accept a contract without them – an extremely rare concession for someone selected so high.

Lamoriello was unusually candid while speaking with the Bergen Record after that deal was signed, applauding Larsson for not insisting on a contract that would reward him for scoring goals or receiving more ice time than his teammates.

“I am not one who is a believer in the rookie bonuses that (are) in the National Hockey League CBA – the A, Bs and Cs as they’re called,” Lamoriello told the Record’s Tom Gulitti. “Yet, everyone in the league that are drafted certainly in the top areas seem to get them. Nobody (with the Devils) has gotten them and our conversations have been that this would not be something that’s advantageous for us to do and the reason is because every player in our locker-room that we have drafted have bought into that philosophy and nobody worries about individual things and only the team and it’s a commitment that’s made.”

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Three high selections from the 2016 draft class have already signed entry-level contracts – Winnipeg’s Patrik Laine (the No. 2 pick got $2.65M in potential bonuses), Columbus’ Pierre-Luc Dubois (the No. 3 pick got $2.5M in bonuses) and Montreal’s Mikhail Sergachev (the No. 9 pick got $850,000 in bonuses) – but Lamoriello was correct when he said there was no rush with Matthews.

After all, he’s not due to report to Leafs training camp until early October after competing for Team North America in the World Cup. The player certainly doesn’t seem too concerned about his contractual status.

“You know what? I’m not sure,” Matthews said Monday when asked if there’s been negotiations. “Obviously, I just let my agents and the general manager and the people here handle it. When they say I’m ready to sign, I’ll sign.”

Despite his unique standing as only the second No. 1 pick in Leafs history, the 18-year-old is being treated no differently than any of the other 40 prospects at development camp this week.

There are only 2 players from the top-4 picks since 2005 that did not sign contracts with the full set of Schedule A and B bonuses: Adam Larsson (2011.4) and Mitch Marner (2015.4); both under Lou Lamoriello.

Larsson got no bonunes. Marner got only the schedule A bonuses (individual achievement) because his negotiations began before Lou was signed.

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: 2016 Leafs Development Camp Roster
« on: July 05, 2016, 04:05:30 PM »
From Scott Wheeler:
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Marner basically said that he’s eating, working out, napping on a three-hour cycle this morning.
Good to see Marner saying that he’s not just going to bulk up for sake of it though. Said he frequently has to cut to get speed back.
 - He said he has cut from 165 to 160 before because he felt sluggish. Trying to get to 170 but not afraid to go back down.
Sounds like there’s a lot of emphasis on quick moves off the boards. Marner said Leafs want players going to middle quickly.

Interesting to hear Matthews say he's been trying to talk to Larkin and Eichel a lot to get tips on how to prepare for long season.

Dermott spoke glowingly about Clune and his positivity as someone he looked up to with the Marlies

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/matthews-you-can-always-refine-things-and-get-bettter~905005

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Former Leafs: Ex-Files / Re: Where are they now?
« on: July 05, 2016, 03:10:22 PM »
Just wanted to do a rundown from this offseason so far (because bored):

Brennan - Flyers
Parenteau - Islanders
Colborne - Avalanche
Stempniak - Hurricanes
Grabner - Rangers
Matthias - Jets
Stalberg - Hurricanes
Liles - Boston
Reimer - Panthers
Harrington - Blue Jackets

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He's going to get a pretty extended look with Luongo out for the start of the season recovering from surgery. It'll be interesting to see how he fares behind Eckblad, Yandle, and Demers.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: July 05, 2016, 03:00:22 PM »
Exactly because you know the way its being built now, the Leafs, when we get to the SCF, are gonna get there every year consecutively for a decade!

That's the goal, which may or may not come to pass.

I know for sure how the team can get there (maybe) just once and then become mediocre and irrelevant for a decade after, though, and thankfully we have not been doing that.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: July 05, 2016, 01:46:18 PM »
Time to play to WIN.  Time to cheer to WIN.

Here's the thing, I never thought the Leafs quit last year and I always wanted them to win even if I was also keeping score on the suck chart. They weren't a very good and it's going to take some time before they are.

Play to win, sure, I don't think you'll see a Babcock team not. Cheer to win, sure, I always do, even if I'm keeping notes on just how good a draft pick they might get. These things aren't mutually exclusive.

I think you're coming from an honest place, wanting the Leafs to thrive and all, fwiw, but if we as fans are going to endure a bottoming out to become something greater, no freaking half measures.

I concur. The last thing I want this build to turn into is what Vancouver and Boston have got right now.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2016 Summer Housekeeping Thread
« on: July 05, 2016, 12:29:44 PM »
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Peter Holland & Frank Corrado amongst #Leafs RFAs with arbitration rights. Deadline to file for arbitration is 5pm today.
— Dhiren Mahiban (@dcmahiban) July 5, 2016

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