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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 03:03:43 PM »
So what is everyone ok to give up for McDonagh?

If I'm allowed to dream out loud then ideally the bulk of a McDonagh deal would come from assets gained from the trading of JVR and/or Bozak. If JVR could yield a B+ prospect and a pick and Bozak a second rounder then I think that, plus a first and some filler. I think Brown/Johnsson would be tough sells for a team that figures to be rebuilding if they're going to be 27+ when the team is rebuilt.

So, not Korshkov either?

Who?

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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: The Donald
« on: Today at 03:00:42 PM »

I'm pretty sure the Simpsons have made it clear who votes for the Republicans in their universe.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 02:50:13 PM »
Man, you what'd be nice to have right now? One of those B/B+ sorts of forward prospects. The sort of guys you accumulate with picks in the high 20's/early 30's and who you can sell as having the value of a late first rounder but with some development years tacked on.

The sort of guy you could have taken with, say, the 31st pick in the draft one year.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 02:41:27 PM »
So what is everyone ok to give up for McDonagh?

If I'm allowed to dream out loud then ideally the bulk of a McDonagh deal would come from assets gained from the trading of JVR and/or Bozak. If JVR could yield a B+ prospect and a pick and Bozak a second rounder then I think that, plus a first and some filler. I think Brown/Johnsson would be tough sells for a team that figures to be rebuilding if they're going to be 27+ when the team is rebuilt.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 01:07:21 PM »
Precedent isn't destiny.

Then, heck, why limit it to Liljegren? We may be talking about Fedor Gordeev's Norris season next year.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 12:49:48 PM »
But it COULD happen, right?  You can't absolutely rule it out, so therefore I'm right.

There is absolutely no precedent for a defenseman picked outside of the top 10 having a season like that so...I'm going to rule no.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 12:42:45 PM »
Jones?

For me that's sort of stretching the definition of "big impact" but sure. We're still talking about a number of guys you could count on one hand, most of them being drafted significantly higher than Liljegren went.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 12:37:26 PM »
Yeah, he immediately came to mind but you are right- not many others have managed great feats by their age 20 season. 

link

Interesting the number of guys on that list who haven't exactly had stellar careers either.

Yeah, and a lot of those guys are draft +3(Phaneuf, OEL, Karlsson, etc)

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 12:27:15 PM »

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 12:25:11 PM »

The only defensemen to have big impacts in their draft+2 years or earlier in the last, oh, 15 years that come to mind are Doughty and Ekblad.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 12:08:26 PM »
Maybe, maybe not.  Rielly did at that age.

Well A) Rielly was a top 5 pick and B) that "big impact" was scoring 27 points as a sheltered #6 defenseman on a bad team.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 11:52:20 AM »
And that's not what I'm expecting either, but your point well taken.  As I said, the landscape may be different next year depending on how Liljegren does.

I think odds are pretty long that a 19 year old Liljegren makes a big impact next year.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 11:37:31 AM »
If the price to land a top pairing/legit #1 defenseman (and not just a rental) includes Kapanen, then you have to seriously consider it. But if you can get away with trading our first rounder this year and keeping Kapanen, I think you have to do that. It probably means you think the team is capable of competing for the Cup in the next 1-3 years, and Kapanen will be more valuable to the team during that period than the draft pick will be. What if Nylander or Marner goes down with a long term injury...Kapanen could possibly step into one of those spots right away. I'm not sure anyone else in the system, including Johnsson, has the skillset Kapanen possesses.
I can't even fathom a way to improve this D-core internally. I am starting to believe a trade may be required to take this team to the next level. In no way are we going to like what we will have to give up but if it got us at top 2 D man we will a much better team.

What's a realistic ask for Karlsson?  Kappi, Brown, 1st, and Johnsson

Ottawa won't trade him here. If they would there's no chance in any universe it wouldn't involve 2 of Nylander, Marner and Liljegren.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 11:30:08 AM »
I agree with Bender.  I think it was busta who said somewhere that minor tinkering (in terms of additions; I still would not be averse to dealing any of the UFAs at the deadline) if anything is what we should be doing at this point.  Not really a contender yet, though we could just possibly go deep this year if absolutely everything falls into place like it did for OTT last year.  Next year at this time is when some critical decisions will need to be made; if all goes well the window really opens then.

McDonagh is a good enough player that you can't really bank on there being a similar opportunity to acquire him when it's most convenient for the Leafs. That isn't to say they should abandon all prudence but we shouldn't treat it like they can just have a top pairing delivered in 30 minutes or he's free.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 11:21:44 AM »
It's a bit easier to swallow but I really don't know if McDonagh is the answer. How likely are we to win a cup with McDonagh on the roster in the next 2 years? You add McDonagh now and it limits your ability to plug holes elsewhere in the lineup, especially once Bozak & JVR leave for nothing.

It's way, way easier to replace JVR and Bozak than it is to acquire a comparable defenseman.

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