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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Jake Gardiner
« on: July 17, 2018, 05:26:06 PM »
Well, I guess I disagree.  Trading JVR, Bozak, and Komarov, at last year's deadline would have helped solve some of the problems we have today.

I don't think you can let high value assets walk with no return anymore.  If he's intent on going to market, and won't sign a deal, I deal him at the deadline.

EDIT: Or right now, if we know he likely won't re-sign.

While I was all aboard trading JvR, Bozak, etc., at this past deadline, I disagree about Gardiner. For the guys we let walk this summer, it didn't appear as though the intention was to ever really attempt to retain them. I don't think that will be true with Gardiner. Unless he makes it crystal clear he has zero intention of even considering extending his time as a Leaf (which seems unlikely), you hold on to him as long as you can to get as much time to negotiate a new contract. If you can't come to an agreement, so be it - but, you're not holding on to a player you don't see is part of the future, like the team did with JvR, Bozak, etc. You're giving yourself the best opportunity to retain a player you want as part of your team long-term.

Agreed. It was pretty clear that it was unlikely JvR and Bozak were staying. Gardiner is someone they should be actively looking to sign.

I'm just wondering, how do you 2 guys slot in a guy into the top-4 that has played a grand total of 2 NHL games, at age 26, that couldn't crack the roster the past 3 years?

And Marincin?  Again?  This is like TJ Brennen all over again, and that other guy I can't remember, and Corrado who was so unfairly treated but then couldn't make an NHL roster anywhere else...enough with these projects. 

Let's get a real top-4 RHS d-man that can play 20-25 minutes, and let the 6 other guys, including Holl, fight over who gets the press box for the season.

Yes, they're going to need to trade a nice asset to get that guy.

I'm with you on Holl. Of course, we'd love to be pleasantly surprised, but I don't believe the magical Dubas Development Train® can transform long-shots into top-quality NHLers.

On Marincin: I believe he deserves a spot in the 6th/7th position. He's a good penalty killer and can't be any worse than Polak in handling the puck. I know that "not worse than Polak" isn't exactly shooting for the moon, but I am talking about the 6th/7th spot here.

The big unknown for me is Ozighanov, Borgman, Rosen and where they fit in. Does Ozighanov challenge for the 6th spot? Is he better than that and supplants Zaitsev? Does Zaitsev actually play to the level he's capable?

I just can't imagine why they'd do this.

Roman F'n Polak.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Jake Gardiner
« on: July 17, 2018, 10:37:56 AM »
My take-home from that article is: we're going to win the Stanley Cup, soon.

I don't have access to the Athletic, but I might consider this:


I can anticipate Dermott being the most controversial, but it's more about keeping Gardiner and Rielly apart, which I think is the right move. Hainsey just doesn't have the puck-moving ability to be on the top pairing.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: John Tavares is a Maple Leaf
« on: July 16, 2018, 10:23:20 AM »
While it's true that a lot of the Leafs fan reaction to Sundin was also stupid, I don't think that mitigates this stupidity or means it shouldn't be called out as such. I had no problem at the time calling Leafs fans morons for thinking badly about Sundin and am happy to do the same here.

Agreed with all parts, but this one section is a sore part for me. I was so frustrated by fans who felt that Sundin owed something to the team and should have sacrificed for the greater good and agreed to a trade.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2018 Offseason Review
« on: July 14, 2018, 08:16:15 AM »
I'm with Nik on this one. I think herman has a bit too rosy of an outlook on our AHL players.

I'm not as down on Zaitsev as most are, but that's a pretty terrible bottom four defense if Gardiner-Rielly are the top pair.

I really don't understand the love for Holl. Sure he's been very good on the Marlies, but he's only played two NHL games and will be almost 27 years old when the season starts (26.75 years). And Marincin; I've been pulling for him, but he's similar to Holl, in that he's 26 years old and if he hasn't made it by now, chances are slim. I still think he can be a consistent NHLer, but he's a bottom pairing guy.

We really don't know what we're getting in Ozhiganov. Free agents like Rosen, Borgman, and Zaitsev even tend to be massively over-hyped.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: John Tavares is a Maple Leaf
« on: July 12, 2018, 08:06:50 AM »
I just wanted to remind everyone that John Tavares is a Maple Leaf and he's only 27 years old.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: The Matthews Extension
« on: July 11, 2018, 07:19:25 AM »
8 years X 11 mil?

WOW, IMO that is a lot. for a second year player. Just my opinion

He'll be starting his fourth season when the extension kicks in. Over his two seasons in the league, he's tied with McDavid for most even-strength goals (61), but he's done it in 20 fewer games. He's tied in 3rd for most total goals per game.

He's 20 years old and is already one of the best players in the game. He's going to get paid like one.

I wish I could save into an RESP and/or an RRSP. Just not possible at this time.

I'm hoping my kid becomes a successful YouTuber or professional athlete.

Does it make any sense to tie it to AHL franchises instead?

General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« on: July 06, 2018, 05:53:35 PM »
Babcock has often said that in his forward lines he likes to have pairings.  So the pairings in the past have been:
I'm pretty confident saying that Matthews/Nylander is now a thing.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Lou Will Not Return
« on: July 06, 2018, 11:15:55 AM »
Leo’s going to bring something special. He’s going to bring intangibles you can’t teach.

Individual players win games but teams win championships,

There's just a lot of gobblety-goop in that interview.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: John Tavares is a Maple Leaf
« on: July 06, 2018, 11:10:38 AM »
Then you trade Hyman for a boatload and stick someone else with those two... and then trade that guy for a boatload after he scores 30. Rinse and repeat.

The Islanders. You're talking about trading him to the Islanders, aren't you?

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: John Tavares is a Maple Leaf
« on: July 06, 2018, 10:28:13 AM »
Knowing the Tavares Effect, and his betrothal to Marner, I'm very much hoping that Marner's extension is done before the season starts. Or the Hyman Effect is enough of a counter balance.

With our luck, Hyman pulls a Kulemin and scores 30.

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