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Why don't you tell me how to accurately do it.

I would say to the point where, somehow, Bernier isn't the primary focus of criticism on that goal should do it.

You have got to be kidding me.

"I think Reillys error was obvious...everyone knows he blew it."
"I do admit though, and im sure even Reilly would back me up, that Reilly screwed up...and no Reilly screw up, no goal..."
"Now implying that Bernier is immune to criticism because Reilly made a mistake"
"I stated it right at the beginning. Its very possible to have two things go wrong at once. Like Reilly just screwing up hard core and then Bernier letting in a soft goal."

At no point did I say he was the primary person at fault. Simply that he shares the blame.
A point I thought I made over and over again and clearly.
Reilly isn't going to be as crucified as Bernier simply because he doesn't make glaring errors like that often. Bernier has let in too many softies at this point to be given the benefit of the doubt.

Now are you done putting words in my mouth? I said four (4) times that Reilly shares blame. Not once have I ever even given the idea that Bernier is the one primarily at fault. Seriously your argument at this point is weak. I stated an opinion, you disagree. You haven't moved me from my stance and I haven't moved you on yours. So unless you absolutely need the last word, im dropping this.

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I never separated the reaction from what lead to it. I stated it right at the beginning. Its very possible to have two things go wrong at once. Like Reilly just screwing up hard core and then Bernier letting in a soft goal. I believe in this case that he did indeed give up a soft goal, taking everything into consideration. You argue that the save was harder then im giving it credit for because he was surprised by a crappy giveaway. I argue he could have reacted in many other ways that wouldn't have left such a big gap in the 5 hole. So to me because of his positioning and reaction, it was weak.

Again, arguing that it was possible for Bernier to make the save isn't a counterpoint to my saying that you're not accurately taking into account the surprise of the situation.

I'm not just saying the save was harder, I'm saying that the circumstances contribute to a goalie looking poorly prepared and out of sorts on the play. So, yes, Bernier did look poorly prepared and out of sorts. You said, flat out, that no other goalie would have done the same. That's just not true.
That was a flippant, exaggerated point.  If you would like to get pedantic I said "any other goaltender and thats a save" not "No other goalie would have done the same" I didn't think I had to watch my words so much. I don't. I give people who read my posts more credit then that.  Im pretty sure the rest of the board understood it was an exaggeration. Im pretty sure you did too.

"you're not accurately taking into account the surprise of the situation. " Excuse me? I have stated on multiple occasions that I am aware of the surprise of the situation. Why don't you tell me how to accurately do it. Should I have said 74.874% of goaltenders would have made that save? Does that somehow make the GDT any better? If no one is able to post an opinion on a message board without it degenerating to a ridiculous level its no wonder this place has been anemic lately. Thanks for the great night Nik, I look forward to never participating in a GDT again.

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Now implying that Bernier is immune to criticism because Reilly made a mistake...thats nonsense.

Which I'm not doing. What I'm saying is you can't separate the circumstances that led to the shot from the reaction to the shot. If Rielly doesn't make a giveaway a pee-wee player would be embarrassed to make, Bernier isn't as caught off guard.

I never separated the reaction from what lead to it. I stated it right at the beginning. Its very possible to have two things go wrong at once. Like Reilly just screwing up hard core and then Bernier letting in a soft goal. I believe in this case that he did indeed give up a soft goal, taking everything into consideration. You argue that the save was harder then im giving it credit for because he was surprised by a crappy giveaway. I argue he could have reacted in many other ways that wouldn't have left such a big gap in the 5 hole. So to me because of his positioning and reaction, it was weak.

I seem to remember these arguments before about what constitutes a "big save" and how many we should get from an average goaltender.

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I love Cage the Elephant. Just learned to play No rest for the wicked :)

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That goal was on Rielly. Full stop.

Now implying that Bernier is immune to criticism because Reilly made a mistake...thats nonsense.

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Yeah I just tried to change that. Read it wrong. He still needs to bail the defense out on occasion...which he hasn't done in this game. I've seen plays similar to that before...any other goaltender and thats a save.

That's absolute nonsense.
In your opinion. I've seen it happen...multiple times. From many goaltenders. He tightens up that mile wide 5 hole and that doesn't go in...he puts his stick in the 5 hole...that doesn't go in...this wasn't Crosby with an insane deke...it was a weak 5 hole goal. I can't even speak to the last 2 goals...they were scored while I was typing my defense that he let in a weak one. I do admit though, and im sure even Reilly would back me up, that Reilly screwed up...and no Reilly screw up, no goal...But despite what you might think most people don't think expecting a bailout from your goaltender to be 'nonsense'.

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If he stopped 95% of the pucks Id have no problem

Tremendous. That's not what I said though.
Yeah I just tried to change that. Read it wrong. He still needs to bail the defense out on occasion...which he hasn't done in this game. I've seen plays similar to that before...any other goaltender and thats a save.

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I believe, possibly erroneously, that an NHL caliber goaltender could have had that...it wasn't a rocket nor all that sneaky
Read that wrong. Bernier still needs to make a 'hard' save. I've seen plays like that before and there is no way 95% of those go in. Any other goaltender and I believe it would have been a save.

If he stopped 95% of the pucks Id have no problem...its the fact that he hasn't made a 'hard' save this entire game. We need to be able to get a 'hard' save on occasion...if it was 95% of the time...I wouldn't be complaining

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Yes. Clearly if there's a Leaf to criticize there, it's Bernier.

I think Reillys error was obvious...everyone knows he blew it. But Bernier should have had that...or the other one...we are at what 6 shots against and 2 goals allowed? I believe, possibly erroneously, that an NHL caliber goaltender could have had that...it wasn't a rocket nor all that sneaky

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MotM Komorov HM Parenteau

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Nice move by Froese

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Thats a fast shot.

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I hate Marchand. That is all.

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Kadri breaks the drought, and not even a garbage goal.

Komarov my MotM so far.

Love Kadri taking the monkey off his back hehe

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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Official Armchair GM Thread 2015-2016
« on: November 17, 2015, 01:59:14 PM »
Ahh. Fair enough. For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the Leafs have drafted Cart Horse under many of his pseudonyms, like "Jeff Ware," "Eric Fichaud," and "Future Hall of Famer, # 316."


Why do you have to remind me of sad things?

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